I am not getting dragged into who was right or wrong. Let me just say it was a shameful day on both sides the like of which I hope we never see again.
The Police
Their job was to uphold the law,and allow “scab” labour to move without the threat of violence and intimidation. Make you own minds up on that or did Margeret Thatcher send word down to crush the strikers at any cost
The Strikers
Was it necessary to turn out in such force? I have sympathy for them when they had no money bills to pay and empty stomachs at home.
I have experience with riots in Ireland and I think any truthfull soldier will tell you that facing a mob hurling everything at you from rocks petrol bombs and rolling burning vehicles at you you get scared. All I had for protection was a pick handle a bloody useless shield and a flimsy visor not forgetting the guy at the back with a fire extinguiser to put you out.
The Rabble rousers/Commanders were always at the back(both sides) and we used snatch squads to try and get them.
For those to young to remember watch this(OK its biased but give you an idea of that day)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHyb7ELmHbA&feature=player_detailpage
I suppose he could claim for having pneumoconiosis from his time at Orgreave!
I suppose he could claim for having pneumoconiosis from his time at Orgreave!
Selective democracy?
Like German democracy in the 30’s
“When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.”
Martin Niemöller
Selective democracy?
Like German democracy in the 30’s
“When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.”
Martin Niemöller
I never cared and still don’t about how many of the “Master Race” died.
Me a Nazi?

Not us either!
Don’t ever forget and tell those who came after you not to forget either
I hold no ill feelings towards todays Germany or their people as long as the right wing is kept in check, unfortunately some nasty elements seem to be creeping back in such as The National Democratic Party of Germany
I never cared and still don’t about how many of the “Master Race” died.
Me a Nazi?

Not us either!
Don’t ever forget and tell those who came after you not to forget either
I hold no ill feelings towards todays Germany or their people as long as the right wing is kept in check, unfortunately some nasty elements seem to be creeping back in such as The National Democratic Party of Germany
I would thik join this and post them
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/
Also I would like to see them so why not post them here as well?
I would thik join this and post them
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/
Also I would like to see them so why not post them here as well?
And his knighthood should be removed as well as his pension.
Mild for you Tony. How about removing his testicles as well as he wont miss them as he obviously does not have the balls to tough it out and fight his corner.
And his knighthood should be removed as well as his pension.
Mild for you Tony. How about removing his testicles as well as he wont miss them as he obviously does not have the balls to tough it out and fight his corner.
Another one retiring and keeping his pension!
Another one retiring and keeping his pension!
I have no idea whether he is guilty or not – if he is he will be prosecuted. But there is an obvious answer to your last question.:rolleyes:
Do you really believe he would be prosecuted. Not a cat in hells chance IMO unless the establishment have changed their ways overnight!
I have no idea whether he is guilty or not – if he is he will be prosecuted. But there is an obvious answer to your last question.:rolleyes:
Do you really believe he would be prosecuted. Not a cat in hells chance IMO unless the establishment have changed their ways overnight!