paul178I am getting lost here but Arthur has made some good points.
Fun and enjoyment out of killing? What sort of person would do that?
A wierdo American who thinks he is the Joker for starters?
paul178I am getting lost here but Arthur has made some good points.
Fun and enjoyment out of killing? What sort of person would do that?
A wierdo American who thinks he is the Joker for starters?
paul178From the same forum as last time. It was posted by a good friend of mine who is an Iraqi(so forgive his spelling) He has been through hell and back these last few years.
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yak wrote:
no laws will ever stop Psychos from psycho actions
it is part of the human equation and no sense can be made of senseless actions
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I agree with you freind, No law can stop these actions, it became a national hearatege since Rambo, Termenerator, Blade….etc, Movies have a big influance on people. I pray to the souls of the victems, hope this will never happen again, but it will..
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am still alive in Iraq
The last three words of his post are chilling but apt.
paul178From the same forum as last time. It was posted by a good friend of mine who is an Iraqi(so forgive his spelling) He has been through hell and back these last few years.
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yak wrote:
no laws will ever stop Psychos from psycho actions
it is part of the human equation and no sense can be made of senseless actions
*******************************
Reply
I agree with you freind, No law can stop these actions, it became a national hearatege since Rambo, Termenerator, Blade….etc, Movies have a big influance on people. I pray to the souls of the victems, hope this will never happen again, but it will..
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am still alive in Iraq
The last three words of his post are chilling but apt.
paul178Sorry I forgot to add this as well
paul178Sorry I forgot to add this as well
paul178Just for Moggy, at least the Canadians saved this
paul178Just for Moggy, at least the Canadians saved this
paul178Before I retired I sold and fixed copiers,so I keep in touch with the forum which is 99% American members.
Here is a gem from one of them copy and pasted
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Instead of discussing in the other forum I chose to start this one before it was discussed in the other.
My personal opinion.
Gun laws are made for people that obey the law. Tough laws would mean less law abiding people would own guns. Criminals do not obey the law and therefore the criminal will always have access to a gun. Granted in the most recent violence in Colorado the guns and ammo were purchased legally, according to the news. But if he could not have gotten them legally he would still have been able to acquire them through other means. Now if he did go the other route he could have had full autos in stead of semi-autos. Also his apartment is apparently booby trapped with explosives and incendiaries. These do require a license to own and posses. Goes along with the above about criminals will always have what they need.
A big “If”
Now what if some people in the crowd that were properly trained and had concealed weapon’s and were in a position to properly use them. The situation may not have been as bad and probably would have had a dead suspect. But then again this person would be hailed as a hero to everyone in the theater but some lawyer of the family of the original shooter would sue this person for killing their relative.
Just remember the more gun laws that we have to keep them out of the hands of law abiding people the more crime goes up. The reason for this is the criminal knows that there is less chance that their victim will have a gun on them, in their business, in their car, or in the home.
Less than two mile from my house a two year old girl shot herself with hers dads pistol. The father is an Army Ranger from the local post here. She was visiting her dad. They were asleep in the bedroom with the pistol laying on the nightstand. Dad got up and left the room to talk to some friends. Not sure if they came over or if it was on the phone. Well while out of the room the little girl woke up and was playing with the gun when it went off and she was hit in the chest. Killed her instantly. A few days later he was charged with neglect, and other charges. A local lawyer cannot believe he is being charged like this. Myself their is a whole list of charges that should be brought against him to include involuntary manslaughter. After all the pistol was not properly stored, he should have known this. I don’t feel he should go to jail or prison for this, after all he will be suffering with this the rest of his life. If charged for involuntary manslaughter he will be discharged. I feel he should not be able to own another gun legally again or at the minimum several years. How long? Hard to say for a momentary lapse in judgement like this. There are plenty of people still driving that have killed someone while driving a vehicle.
I myself do not own any guns. I would like to and have no problems with some of the laws that I have to obey to purchase a gun. After all there are some law abiding people that should not have one. What I feel should be a requirement, and some if not most are:
1) Background check
2) National registry of the gun, to include sample of the bullets fired from it
3) Registered with the local authorities where you live
4) Proper training course before purchase with a refresher every so many years
5) Accountability if you do not report your gun being stolen
Some of these may seem harsh. Especially 2, 3, & 5. My reasoning for 2 & 3 are if they are registered locally and nationally the and the gun is stolen and you reported it as in 5 you can possibly get your gun back if the authorities do not choose to destroy it or worse, it gets lost in the system and winds up in the hands of more criminals. With number 5 there are so many people that do not know that their was stolen or that is their excuse when a relative uses it to commit a crime. If given or sold to another individual they need to do the same as buying from a dealer. In fact why not throw a gun broker in the mix. In this way both parties enter into an agreement with a third party for the transfer. This creates a paper trail to protect the seller. Yes some of this seems like more laws/rules for law abiding people. If implemented properly it does not really make it harder to own a gun. Process maybe longer but it can protect the gun owner and keep everyone safer.
But as I mentioned earlier the harder it is for law abiding citizens to own a gun the easier it is for gun toting criminals to carry out more crimes.
After reading my own post a lot of what I mentioned is for and against tougher laws. As with any law if implemented as the drafters intend it is not all that bad. It’s when more gets read into it that cause the problems.
Again as in the other post my prayers go out to those that have lost in Colorado and to those in the past that have lost needlessly to an improperly stored or used gun.
paul178Before I retired I sold and fixed copiers,so I keep in touch with the forum which is 99% American members.
Here is a gem from one of them copy and pasted
________________________________________
Instead of discussing in the other forum I chose to start this one before it was discussed in the other.
My personal opinion.
Gun laws are made for people that obey the law. Tough laws would mean less law abiding people would own guns. Criminals do not obey the law and therefore the criminal will always have access to a gun. Granted in the most recent violence in Colorado the guns and ammo were purchased legally, according to the news. But if he could not have gotten them legally he would still have been able to acquire them through other means. Now if he did go the other route he could have had full autos in stead of semi-autos. Also his apartment is apparently booby trapped with explosives and incendiaries. These do require a license to own and posses. Goes along with the above about criminals will always have what they need.
A big “If”
Now what if some people in the crowd that were properly trained and had concealed weapon’s and were in a position to properly use them. The situation may not have been as bad and probably would have had a dead suspect. But then again this person would be hailed as a hero to everyone in the theater but some lawyer of the family of the original shooter would sue this person for killing their relative.
Just remember the more gun laws that we have to keep them out of the hands of law abiding people the more crime goes up. The reason for this is the criminal knows that there is less chance that their victim will have a gun on them, in their business, in their car, or in the home.
Less than two mile from my house a two year old girl shot herself with hers dads pistol. The father is an Army Ranger from the local post here. She was visiting her dad. They were asleep in the bedroom with the pistol laying on the nightstand. Dad got up and left the room to talk to some friends. Not sure if they came over or if it was on the phone. Well while out of the room the little girl woke up and was playing with the gun when it went off and she was hit in the chest. Killed her instantly. A few days later he was charged with neglect, and other charges. A local lawyer cannot believe he is being charged like this. Myself their is a whole list of charges that should be brought against him to include involuntary manslaughter. After all the pistol was not properly stored, he should have known this. I don’t feel he should go to jail or prison for this, after all he will be suffering with this the rest of his life. If charged for involuntary manslaughter he will be discharged. I feel he should not be able to own another gun legally again or at the minimum several years. How long? Hard to say for a momentary lapse in judgement like this. There are plenty of people still driving that have killed someone while driving a vehicle.
I myself do not own any guns. I would like to and have no problems with some of the laws that I have to obey to purchase a gun. After all there are some law abiding people that should not have one. What I feel should be a requirement, and some if not most are:
1) Background check
2) National registry of the gun, to include sample of the bullets fired from it
3) Registered with the local authorities where you live
4) Proper training course before purchase with a refresher every so many years
5) Accountability if you do not report your gun being stolen
Some of these may seem harsh. Especially 2, 3, & 5. My reasoning for 2 & 3 are if they are registered locally and nationally the and the gun is stolen and you reported it as in 5 you can possibly get your gun back if the authorities do not choose to destroy it or worse, it gets lost in the system and winds up in the hands of more criminals. With number 5 there are so many people that do not know that their was stolen or that is their excuse when a relative uses it to commit a crime. If given or sold to another individual they need to do the same as buying from a dealer. In fact why not throw a gun broker in the mix. In this way both parties enter into an agreement with a third party for the transfer. This creates a paper trail to protect the seller. Yes some of this seems like more laws/rules for law abiding people. If implemented properly it does not really make it harder to own a gun. Process maybe longer but it can protect the gun owner and keep everyone safer.
But as I mentioned earlier the harder it is for law abiding citizens to own a gun the easier it is for gun toting criminals to carry out more crimes.
After reading my own post a lot of what I mentioned is for and against tougher laws. As with any law if implemented as the drafters intend it is not all that bad. It’s when more gets read into it that cause the problems.
Again as in the other post my prayers go out to those that have lost in Colorado and to those in the past that have lost needlessly to an improperly stored or used gun.
paul178Pratt by name Pratt by nature!
paul178Pratt by name Pratt by nature!
paul178paul178Every suggestion about changing the gun law in America has the same reaction from over the pond. What is it about owning a gun?Does it make you feel safe?
Are the Law Enforcement Agencies so bad that dialing 911 will not get them to respond at least in Cities and Towns? You can,t wait for the hunting season to begin so you can go and shoot a bear or similar.
Exceptions
Those who live far from help if they are threatened.
Farmers who need them to keep vermin down.
Those that are “Dirt Poor” who are shooting for food.
Just my 2 Pence worth.
paul178Every suggestion about changing the gun law in America has the same reaction from over the pond. What is it about owning a gun?Does it make you feel safe?
Are the Law Enforcement Agencies so bad that dialing 911 will not get them to respond at least in Cities and Towns? You can,t wait for the hunting season to begin so you can go and shoot a bear or similar.
Exceptions
Those who live far from help if they are threatened.
Farmers who need them to keep vermin down.
Those that are “Dirt Poor” who are shooting for food.
Just my 2 Pence worth.
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