I remember the flight dispatcher days well in the 70’s – in and out of the a*se end of Hapag-Lloyd B727’s, Sterling Caravelles and BCAL 1-11’s…
When I worked for Shell Aircraft Services in the 80’s, we also used to enter and exit the BA BV234LR (Chinook) helicopters “a derriere” too…..
Perhaps this should be reposted in the “How Low can you Go” thread….:)
When I was a flight dispatcher at Tees-side in 1977, we used to handle the LOT Polish Il-18’s who were taking out British workers to Warsaw, apparently building power stations.
One winters night, amongst the snow and slush, I was detailed to do the loadsheet and trimsheet for Il-18 SP-LSH. I remember the Kommissar onboard – he was in charge of the aircraft – not the captain, and he had a very large lump under his left shoulder…..
About half way through the refuel, as I was trying desperately to restart the Servisair tractor, one of the hostesses ran down the steps and rather inelegantly through the snow and ice, tried to make for the customs hall at the side of the ramp. The Kommissar ran off after her, and took her back onboard. Doors shut, engines started (no passengers), and off they went back to Warsaw, empty. Another Il-18 came in a few hours later and took the Wimpey construction workers away.
I’ve often thought about that poor woman and her unsuccessful asylum effort….
Anyway, I remember the Il-18 was a solid beast, quite utilitarian inside the cabin and cockpit – and only Servisair staff were allowed near it!
XV103 Picture as requested
XV103 Edinburgh Turnhouse 1976
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Old Gits
I’m sorry you think that prices are too high,
For rare artefacts that emanate from the sky,
For altruistic reasons, I’ll do my bit,
And list from .99p, for any “Old Git”,
From this forum, who wants a piece of the action,
When usually they can only afford a fraction,
Of what’s realistic for rare wanted bits,
Which over the years I have preferred to big ****,
So watch out next week, I’ll be selling a few,
So get yer bids going, you know what to do!
Tennyson
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I’m Narked!
Do you know, this really annoys me!
This radiation lark is truly blown out of all proportion. If you wanted to be affected by the radiation in any of these instruments, you would have to break the glass (releasing the alpha particles, which are WELL past their “sell by dates” and now completely ineffectual), lick the paint on the dials for a couple of weeks, sit back and hope that you had done enough to poison yourself. It’s all nuts. I have an extremely effective Geiger counter, bought at reasonable expense to survey the vast amount of instrumentation that I hold, and can assure anyone that it is infinitely more harmful to live in Aberdeenshire or Cornwall with the background radiation from the granite, than it is to sit in front of the depleted instruments in wartime/50’s cockpits.
Furthermore, I’m one of the few peeps that have a complete boxed set of comparative instrument dials, released in the late 50’s, to compare the glow from proper instruments against these benchmark ones, to select the instruments for repainting. Guess what – the Geiger counter doesn’t even register up against them!! It’s time to get real, chaps and let past hero’s visit their old mounts. H & S problems around this are very definitely “can’t be bothered attitudes” or the old Esther Ranzen “Jobsworths”. It’s time for museums to get off their proverbials and help, rather than sit in offices and let the minions view what they deign to let them.
For goodness sake, let’s get real!! :D:D:D
I’m Narked!
Do you know, this really annoys me!
This radiation lark is truly blown out of all proportion. If you wanted to be affected by the radiation in any of these instruments, you would have to break the glass (releasing the alpha particles, which are WELL past their “sell by dates” and now completely ineffectual), lick the paint on the dials for a couple of weeks, sit back and hope that you had done enough to poison yourself. It’s all nuts. I have an extremely effective Geiger counter, bought at reasonable expense to survey the vast amount of instrumentation that I hold, and can assure anyone that it is infinitely more harmful to live in Aberdeenshire or Cornwall with the background radiation from the granite, than it is to sit in front of the depleted instruments in wartime/50’s cockpits.
Furthermore, I’m one of the few peeps that have a complete boxed set of comparative instrument dials, released in the late 50’s, to compare the glow from proper instruments against these benchmark ones, to select the instruments for repainting. Guess what – the Geiger counter doesn’t even register up against them!! It’s time to get real, chaps and let past hero’s visit their old mounts. H & S problems around this are very definitely “can’t be bothered attitudes” or the old Esther Ranzen “Jobsworths”. It’s time for museums to get off their proverbials and help, rather than sit in offices and let the minions view what they deign to let them.
For goodness sake, let’s get real!! :D:D:D
Early gunsight from an RAF fighter, with different German a/c named on the reflector dial….me109, me110, FW190 amongst others. Put it into East Fortune museum when I was a lad (it was given to me as a present) to find out more about it, and never got it back. It was apparently fitted to the Spitfire which is still on display….:mad:
I have started restoration of Oly Mk 1 G-ALNB (BGA513), although nothing significant to show yet. This aircraft was (is!) known as “Jacobs Ladder”
The CAA have granted permission to paint the original registration back on the aircraft, as it was when it left Elliots in 1947.
I need a new canopy, however – does anyone know of a good source?
I know that if I was chasing the instruments for my project, I would value it at about A$200 per servicable instrument, as for the bare panel itself, I wouldn’t pay much say $10 because I wouldn’t want it.
so from what you say is serviceable at least A$600 – if its in Australia and you want to sell it, send me a PM I may be interested
I’m not selling it – it’ll be going into my collection. What is your project – I’m really interested!
are the instruments therein servicable?
I know the ASI, Altimeter and T&S are, not sure about the rest!
With reference to the Rate of Climb indicator, it would appear to be a post war Smiths 2,000ft/minute range instrument in an SAE case which would make it Smiths Code 20RC/PC or 20RC Sec/Ref: 6A/2086 (listed as 6A/2086 Smiths type 20RC in AL18 AP1086 Section 6A for Devon C1 aircraft and listed in AP1086 Section 6A dated 1966 as 20/RC/PC with the same Sec/Ref 6A/2086) The suffix PC added for Pressure Cabin.
Attached is some Smiths information regarding these RoC indicators.
Not too sure if that helps or has clouded the issue a bit more!
Regards
Dave
Hi Dave,
1. The RoC is manufactured by SS&S Ltd, London. Type 20 RC/PC dated 3/4?
2. Directional Gyro is a Type 1B, 6A/1666 manufactured in 1945 by Sperry in
Brooklyn, NY.
3. A/H is Type 1B 6A/1498
4. ASI is Smiths, Type 118A9
5. Altimeter is Mk IVA (35,000 ft) ??/3380 (could be Kollsman – it has a large “K” on the back)
A/H & Directional Gyro are both vacuum, not electrical
Any more idea’s??
Many thanks, J
With reference to the Rate of Climb indicator, it would appear to be a post war Smiths 2,000ft/minute range instrument in an SAE case which would make it Smiths Code 20RC/PC or 20RC Sec/Ref: 6A/2086 (listed as 6A/2086 Smiths type 20RC in AL18 AP1086 Section 6A for Devon C1 aircraft and listed in AP1086 Section 6A dated 1966 as 20/RC/PC with the same Sec/Ref 6A/2086) The suffix PC added for Pressure Cabin.
Attached is some Smiths information regarding these RoC indicators.
Not too sure if that helps or has clouded the issue a bit more!
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave – that’s really interesting. I’ll look more closely at the RoC and see if it has these part no’s. I actually have a Dove (G-ANAP) cockpit – I suppose I better get round to see it and find out if the panel fits!! I’ll keep you posted.
J
….But the Chippie instrument panel shown on this website does not look like the panel you have.
I dont believe you have a chippie panel.
….hmmmm…the plot thickens then….
Anyone got any idea from the panel numbers “MH1321” and “AIS 7261”