SameerI just wonder, would it not have been better to have had an option for 3 more in the contract or was this done already in 2003? Would it not have been cheaper that way.
SameerSome News About the infamous Kaveri engine
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/02/28/Navigation/190/205184/Asian+Aerospace+2006+Kaveri+K9+on+track+for+testing.html
Asian Aerospace 2006: Kaveri K9 on track for testing
India’s Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) plans to deliver a Kaveri K9 turbofan to Russia for flight tests by mid-year in the run-up to the engine’s installation in the Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA) by the end of 2006.
The long-awaited Kaveri test move comes as Snecma wins an ADA contract to assist in its final development phase. “It’s more of a peer review contract,” says ADA propulsion systems group director Swaminathan Ratnam, who adds the upcoming Russian tests are scheduled to run from June through September on an Ilyushin Il-76 testbed.
Following the completion of tests, the engine will be returned to Bangalore for the start of installation work on PV1 (prototype vehicle), one of four LCAs currently engaged in flight tests. The indigenously developed Kaveri, originally planned as the baseline engine for the LCA, will replace the General Electric F404-IN20, 11 of which have now been supplied to the indigenous Indian fighter programme. The integration effort will involve replacing sections of the fuselage as well as an inlet design optimised for the Kaveri. Flight tests are not expected to start until well into 2007. Meanwhile, the ADA displayed at Asian Aerospace a model of the naval version of LCA
SameerIts ironic how a certain country which has been giving away missile tech and more for years while being an NPT signatory can actually have the right to lecture others.
just my two cents
SameerThere are so many wacky ideas out there to defy nature.
The best one in my book is as follows
1) Get a huge ship on the high seas with around 40-50 powerful boeing 747 type engines
2) Point all the exhausts up and turn on the engines at max
3) create an area of low pressure which will eventually become a depression and consume the energy. When the hurricane gets near the area, it will loose strength.
yep its a wacky idea.
SameerHmm would it not depend on your definition of indegenous?
As long as you are sourcing x% components from friendly nations, i do believe that a country should only produce goods or sub components in which it has a comparative advantage.
SameerThis thread has become more about economics rather than US nuclear deals…..
China follows a top down approach while India decided to follow a half hearted bottoms up approach 14 years later, an approach which has been recently showing good results. There is no catching up or competition between the two because if anyone works in the industry and eals with Sino Indian trade, they would realize that a lot of Indian companies are trying to find synergy with their Chinese counterparts at the moment to have a strong comparative advantage in the world arena.
India does not want conflict with China nor does China minus trying to limit India’s potential power in the future to a small extent by propping up Pakistan. The US also does not wish for conflict with China, why would it? China is the US’s biggest creditor nation and a few changes in the way China buys US dollars may affect that housing boom in the US.
I have been to China and have seen the infrastructure, I have also heard about western China and the inequality between west and east, rural and urban and the Communist party has only recently made strong commitments to address it. Let us not forget the % of bad loans carried by Chinese banks and the messy financial system and you quickly realize that challenges remain. I think that its a bit too premature for both sides to poke at each other’s faults. What matters is that India is growing at 8% and will be able to sustain this for a long time to come and within the next five years will enter into yet another higher growth plane and China is trying to lower its growth to a comfortable 8.x percent or so as well.
I notice that the forex term tends to be used a lot here, i wonder if people actually understand what forex is, one cannot simply cash this out and go shopping like your normal bank account. China has a huge forex reserve because it is busy buying dollars in order to keep its undervalued currency at 8.2 or was that 8 yuan to the US dollar. For the last 4 years, India has been doing the same.
I hope that people leave economics out of a nuclear thread.
Now to the Canadian, dude i told you, if you dont like the caribou, you can be a maple leaf. 🙂
Its not that bad, try being a slow and fat elephant!
SameerThe one where he said that the US would fulfill Pakistan’s energy needs?
(non civil nuclear of course)
SameerWhat this? And says
who that that’s how nations of the
world is represented?I mean haven’t you ever watched Lord of the Rings or Harry
Potter :p ? Man!!! If by your account, does that then imply that
all the cheerfull and mystical creatures depicted in those and other
imaginative fables imply that it’s refering to specific entities?Seriouly, you’re too sensitive :p !!!!
And please… Don’t refer to us as Mooses. Man I hate that!
Moose that is! I always thought we Canucks were better thought of as
a bright, a cunning, and a highly inteligent and very industrious creature with a sharp
mouth and razor sharp teeths better known as a Beaver :p…But Moose? Why! That’s an insult!!!
.
Well if you are so upset about animals, you can be a maple leaf. Although i always thought that that animal that looks like a dear (caribou???) is very Canadian looking.
SameerYour knowledge about the workings of forex and how its liquidity is left to be desired. China is growing at 9.6%, India at 8.1%, the growth rate itself is not vastly different and within reach considering that the Chinese wish to reduce the growth rate to a comfortable 8.5% within the next five years. That is not to say that China reformed more than a decade before India did but what the Tinman seems to be forgetting is that China has to face Taiwan, Japan and the US Pacific fleet as well as having a small presence in Tibet and close to the Malacca straits.
On its hand, India only has Pakistan to worry about, I think that I would rather be India rather than China when it comes to facing potential threats.
Hence it really does not matter too much anout who has been growing faster over the last decade and a half since the threat to China is multi dimensional and its resources are concentrated against Taiwan, the US and Japan, India will only add another worry to the south.
But then again since we apparently are having falling per capita incomes lately who knows….. 🙂
SameerWell so much for a discussion on the main purpose of this thread. 🙂
SameerAll I know is that my cousin’s husband (laugh here) who was a submariner and still is in fact, and was part of a certain diesel kilo sub has been posted in Russia since September and will be there for the next two years. Since his Kilo sub was upgraded 5 years ago, i fail to see why and what they are doing in that cold country.
who knows, he wont tell me. 🙂
SameerThe Congress and Left rejected it , The BJP was not named , so they couldnt reject it .
Lets toe the official line here , our politician are clean and dont indulge in anti-national activities or take money for personal gains 😉
The ex KGB memories are just a bunch of lies 😀
The BJP did not yet exist in the 1970s although Advani and his boys were around the block.
SameerThat means nothing for the pakistani F-16 deal. In the white house the India pakistan situation is not as important as what realy matters. India is being built up to face china so the US dosnt have to. Basically India will continue spending vast sums of money on defence (hopefully in the US), whilst hundreds of millions of Indias own population continue to live in poverty and the aids epidemic continues unabated, so that the US can keep its own defence spending down and not have to worry to much about china.
Yawn India only spends slightly less than 2.5% of gdp on defence and the poverty rate has been falling by 1% on average per year since 1977 and real gdp at constant prices is now growing by more than 8%. Of course i fail to see what this has to do on a Pakistani missile thread. 🙂
yawn
SameerTruly a fine way to discuss global politics.. 😀 😀
What animal would Iran be though?
Persian kitty cat of course
SameerI never heard of any per capita gdp grwoth being negative in India for the last 20 years. Perhaps our esteemed member would like to point it out to us. I knowe Lou Dobbs, I see him on tv, he is afterall a journalist, not an economist but since this is my field, i would like members who highlight things in bold to show me some data when they have the time, where is that negative per capita growth comming from? 🙂 Does the member even know how to calculate per capita income growth?
The average for the 90s was 4.5% per capita growth and now it stands at around 6% per capita income growth and just out of curiosity i hope that the member knows that per capita income growth is used as a measure of comparing standard of living or crude aggregade productivity of a country, not defence procurement affordability.
The average population growth rate is 1.4%, the average gdp growth rate since 1992 is 6.36% gdp growth. The 1980-2005 average works out to 5.84% gdp growth. Minus that 1.4% and you will get a posetive number. The worst year was 1991 and per capita income growth grew by -0.1%. With 140 billion in reserves and a new growth plane of more than 7% (predicted 8 for the upcomming fiscal and the next one after that), i doubt we will have problems buying. (since 2002 the gdp growth rate has accelarated to 8.5%, 7.5% and 8.1% for this fiscal)
The facts on the ground remain that India has always paid for its defence products and this trend will continue, we dont tend to take things on the free, that would be Egypt and Pakistan. Please do not confuse us.
I will be waiting.
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