having supervised a call centre for 4 months in bangalore myself, i can say that complaints were very low, there were the usual accent problems which was mainly due to supervisors not doing a good job at interviewing and there is also a genuine problem at understanding certain British accents and American ones too, this is being rectified by employing, will you believe it British people being shipped all the way to India to both talk and train Indians to understand such accents.
The entireoutsourcing phenomenon has been politisized now, British people loosing jobs to Indians, my gosh!!!!!!
Why don’t you get your Government to fix your education system, I studied at LSE and then visited friends at Oxford, most of our classes were filled with foreigners, I found that to be quite sad, your system needs change, you are not supposed to be picking up phones in the 21st century, one day India will face the same problem with such jobs going to Africa hopefully, that is a good thing, this is why in India we make sure our kids study computer engineering, biochemistry, not political science. Try Finance!!!!
You guys complain about accents, I go to London and i see mostly foreigners, be it people from mainland Europe etc working in those high paying finance jobs. Wy is it that I get e-mails from British employers looking for Indians to become Financial analysts, can’t you find that in England????? We are not stealing your jobs and there are hickups at the moment in outsourcing which will soon be fixed, and in any evnet noone can stop outsourcing now and why would you anyway? When call centre jobs leave the UK, that IS NOT A BAD THING, ITS A GOOD THING, IT MEANS THAT ENGLAND IS MOVING UP THE VALUE CHAIN OF JOBS.
having supervised a call centre for 4 months in bangalore myself, i can say that complaints were very low, there were the usual accent problems which was mainly due to supervisors not doing a good job at interviewing and there is also a genuine problem at understanding certain British accents and American ones too, this is being rectified by employing, will you believe it British people being shipped all the way to India to both talk and train Indians to understand such accents.
The entireoutsourcing phenomenon has been politisized now, British people loosing jobs to Indians, my gosh!!!!!!
Why don’t you get your Government to fix your education system, I studied at LSE and then visited friends at Oxford, most of our classes were filled with foreigners, I found that to be quite sad, your system needs change, you are not supposed to be picking up phones in the 21st century, one day India will face the same problem with such jobs going to Africa hopefully, that is a good thing, this is why in India we make sure our kids study computer engineering, biochemistry, not political science. Try Finance!!!!
You guys complain about accents, I go to London and i see mostly foreigners, be it people from mainland Europe etc working in those high paying finance jobs. Wy is it that I get e-mails from British employers looking for Indians to become Financial analysts, can’t you find that in England????? We are not stealing your jobs and there are hickups at the moment in outsourcing which will soon be fixed, and in any evnet noone can stop outsourcing now and why would you anyway? When call centre jobs leave the UK, that IS NOT A BAD THING, ITS A GOOD THING, IT MEANS THAT ENGLAND IS MOVING UP THE VALUE CHAIN OF JOBS.
How pathetic
This is what free trade means, such jobs are going to India because Europe and the US are developed markets and companies are outsourcing these jobs that belong to the lower end of the workscale, jobs that should not stay in Europe simply because competitive companies cannot afford to keep high wage American adn Euopean workers. You Europeans and Americans are supposed to move up the value chain in jobs, the ones that cannot effectively move up the chain, last I checked in England most students in graduate schools were not even British themselves, well such people loose out, you compete or die, sorry but this is the world in which we live in. The problems of accents etc are temporary in nature, it may surprise you all but there are actually many Europeans working in Bangalore now, the trnasition of outsourcing will take around 10 years with all its hickups but is here to stay, you either live with it or you siimple get left behind, there is a reason why many companies are switching, if they don’t tehy will eventually go bankrupt because the world is too competitive.
Why dont you lads try to get some more British students in English schools fora change so that the transition up the value chain is smoother in stead of blaming the poor vegetarian Indian with his accent. :0
in sum grow up and fix your socialist iefficient system.
oh and stop studying political science and art history and then complain that Indians are stealing your customer support jobs. :rolleyes:
How pathetic
This is what free trade means, such jobs are going to India because Europe and the US are developed markets and companies are outsourcing these jobs that belong to the lower end of the workscale, jobs that should not stay in Europe simply because competitive companies cannot afford to keep high wage American adn Euopean workers. You Europeans and Americans are supposed to move up the value chain in jobs, the ones that cannot effectively move up the chain, last I checked in England most students in graduate schools were not even British themselves, well such people loose out, you compete or die, sorry but this is the world in which we live in. The problems of accents etc are temporary in nature, it may surprise you all but there are actually many Europeans working in Bangalore now, the trnasition of outsourcing will take around 10 years with all its hickups but is here to stay, you either live with it or you siimple get left behind, there is a reason why many companies are switching, if they don’t tehy will eventually go bankrupt because the world is too competitive.
Why dont you lads try to get some more British students in English schools fora change so that the transition up the value chain is smoother in stead of blaming the poor vegetarian Indian with his accent. :0
in sum grow up and fix your socialist iefficient system.
oh and stop studying political science and art history and then complain that Indians are stealing your customer support jobs. :rolleyes:
Are we talking about the Rahul bedi from Janes here?
Are you guys actually trying to argue wth the forum oracle?
One wonders what those hi tech PAF jamming systems are exactly, the comedy of errors continues from the same crew.
I think that the Bangalore Class will have a good shot at being in the top3 of Asia with bhramos and LO features.
It is known that IAF Mirage 2000s have gone through silent upgrades, hese are not your typical H versions.
The LCA is comming in a bit slowly though, PV-2 is apparently still getting its gizmos installed, I heard of taxi trials a few months ago and then after that, there has been no update. They should have almost finished with the FCS validation by now.
Let me correct myself, the PV-2 will fly next month with missiles and obviously the radar as well and drop tanks. The weight has been reduced.
Yes this is a stupid thread and I feel stupid replying. However, I’m weak…
SteveO,
This is quite clearly a mistaken assumption. As I argued in multiple other threads the USN+USAF+NATO Allies (although they contributed very little) took 78 days to bomb Yugoslavia and still couldn’t destroy its army nor its air defense network completely – India is much bigger and much more advanced – good luck.
You are quite the naughty man 😀
Your post should have been
Its the yar 2010 and the IN, PLAN, the entire Russian Navy and the French Navy supported by 50 su-30MKs vs the entire USN fleet and I would bet you that the USN would still win.
Fo course it does not but the same type of logic applies to many a project worldwide, it was only used as an example to proove that very point.
IN is aquiring 28 Mig29Ks.some will be used for training and others will be onboard.On Gorshow its a mixture of helos and Migs
WOW now Joseph, the IN has officially ordered 16 MiG-29Ks with an option for furthur buys, where are you getting this 28 figure from?
“How can we talk about price when the engine remains a question mark, the radar price is a big question, the exact avionics package etc are also unknown? Ifyou can provide figures for the above, then and only then can we discuss until then 15M looks to be quite an impossible price for a fighter aircraft with today’s prices.”
This was my own post, it was obviously flamy. :0
Maybe a solution to the vexing problem of how to keep Pakistani threads flame free would be to close the thread along with the current Indian aviation thread (which does not get ruined) teaching both sides to be civil.
Aziz
Two important points,
1) Have you actually seen the IA and Arjun threads and how your peaceful countrymen have behaved there? :rolleyes: Fortunately we did not bite and the thread continues.
2) I find it amazing on how if someone questions the price of the FC-1, the typical answer of the Pakistani side is to close down the thread? Do you guys simply cliam what you wish and then cannot back it up.. Certainly Vikas made a statement and I responded in kind by asking a few basic questions. I think that the usual flame accusation is based on the FACT that many a member here tends to make UNSUBSTATIATED statements and then they simply run away by using the veil of “lets close it off before there is a flame war” Another tactic invlves sending the army to post 4 year old articles in IA threads. :rolleyes: all this in the view of hoping that a few dumb ones will fall for the trick and act in the same manner as an act of revenge. That way the usual members can continue to laim that the fc-1 and other things will cost x$ without even knowing for sure what avionics and radar the plane will have and how much it will cost, forget about the engine issue. :rolleyes:
Certainly the FC-1 will be a cheap fighter because the country in question after the F-16 buy cannot afford another expensive one and it will certainly give a low end decent capability but claims of “its plug andplay, it will have x and y”……
Joseph, the same line of thought goes for the LCA, it was never designed to replace every single Indian fighter and certainly ever since the requirement for an increase in squad strength has been initiated…..
Also F-22 numbers have been officially reduced Joseph.