Sameer

Do u have the precise information about J-10 and FC-1 radomes, i.e. diameters? China’s offer of a smaller version of J-10’s radar indicates that either China is not willing to release KLJ-10 technology at this moment and/or its too expensive or it does not fit into FC-1’s nose. Richard Fisher in his report on Ideas 2004 quotes a PAF official saying that PAF did not reduce its requirement.
As for maintenance costs etc., the point to note is that PAF’s future planning centralises around F-16, FC-1 and possibly another fighter type. Right now PAF operates different types of mirages, F-7Ps (2 different types of engines), F-7PG, A-5s etc. Whereas the induction of new types would cost them more in certain aspects, PAF would save money in other fields, and overall costs are unlikely to be as astronomical as u think. OTOH, PAF budget would undoubtedly go up with time just like any other force, and its Pakistan’s economic growth which would determine the real size of budget.

Vikas
I remember that there was a discussion about this a year back on the chinese forum, we should try to get the diameter of both J-10 and FC-1 noses but I would doubt that the nose issue would be the problem, the FC-1 nose should at least be able to accomodate a 600mm radar, the answer is probably the suspicion that the Chinese are not yet willing to release their J-10 radar, I can’t see why if Pakistan and China are so close, unless the Chinese feel that the US is a bit too close for comfort in Pakistan but then you wonder how different a dummed down J-10 radar will be compared to the real thing, less power, less channels, less ECM capabilities but the basic tech will still be given away, I find all this quite curious and interesting.
As far as the cost of the radar, i wonder if it will be that much more expensive compared to the Grifro series due to a strong Euro and high European prices. I was even wondering if they would even go for F-16 C/D avionics and radar and homogenize the avionics package, it would save on costs.

I certainly do not think that any Govt would actually make long term defence plans based on US aide, US aide may increase or decrease or dissapear, these planes will last for at least the next 25 years, hence all Govts including that of Pakistan must have a reasonable domestic alternative to foreign aide when it comes to defence maintainance. Plus you say that new gen radars cost cheap, true but the PAF does not really have any BVR radar right now minus the F-16A radar which as of now is not calibrated to fre BVRs, hence the costs will still go up, ie simply because the PAF never had a decent radar in the first place. Also maintaining FC-1s and F-16s will cost a bit more than maintaining F-16As and F-7s regardless, training etc will baloon, if its aide money that you think will pay for it all, sure, I wont argue, 3B in yearly aide may do the trick but relying on US aide is not a probable strategy here, I hope that I am not the only one who finds the danger in doing so.

The cockpit layout looks very nice but this will cost especially from Sagem, they do not come cheap.

My question was though, is it the same J-10 radar or a scaled down J-10 radar? At least the sd-10 intergration will be done with ease with the j-10 radar, hence in about 3 years, the PAF will have BVR capability together with the F-16 and I would wager, it would take them a couple of years to finetune training etc. One thing becomes starkingly obvious though, the PAF will need to almost double its budget which begs the question, will the Army see some cuts or the navy.

Ya I have news, its dead.

Well I remember reading a few months ago on this very forum that the Grifro S7 was not ready yet and perhaps a Chinese radar would be used, a scaled down version of the Chinese radar of the J-10 perhaps…. Have they managed to tackle the S7 issue now or is it a confirmed Chinese radar?

Still waiting that you admit you were lying about your congress sources and other BS related to it. This is not Bharat Ratkshack where you can fantasize of you having links in US congress or G. W Bush living next door and ordering choppers.

Be a man, admit your mistakes.

No attack on Iran from Pakistani territory. Old, outdated Centrifuges sent to UN (not US) on Iran’s request.

Waiting…….I have all quotes by you regarding this issue form February to March. 🙂

Hmm wasn’t Golden Arrow the first non Pakistani guy to say that pakistan was getting F-16s with his Congress sources….. 🙂

BTW, can some one put this more clearly??

http://www.newsindia.com/editorial/2011.asp
http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=66988

Probably the plane cannot takeoff with max fuel load.