This is an Asian thing, the winner of this competition will probably have to lobby hard in Delhi and Delhi politicians are known to love Swiss Bank accounts and S-500s.

Wow looks like we have another Nationalist.

First off I dont have a mouse. 🙂

If you ment mouth shut???
hmmm another proof of Chinese nationalism on this forum, keep your mouth shut, do not ask us questions because you are Indians. 🙂 another clear cut proof.

The Indians have not put any **** here, in fact it is quite the opposite, i understand that selective reading is a forte of Chinese nationalists such as yourself but I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS CONVERSATION TO STOCK TO TOPIC AND NOT MENTION INDIA OR INDIANS FOR A WHILE NOW AND IN ANY EVENT, it was a Chinese who brought up India and Indians and Dragon boy who brought up penis envy for MiG-21 exports, not Indians.

I asked a question and no answer was ever given, only my nationality and race were picked on so far, go read the entire thread before adding your idiotic post again.

A clear cut of Chinese racism.

INDIANS

I really dont understand the obsession with the word, AND NOTE THAT FROM POST 6 THEY BROUGHT UP INDIANS because George happens to be INdian and hence his entire race and country should be made fun of because he dared to post on a Chinese forum 🙂

tsk tsk tsk

I, as a member of this forum, not as an Indian which has nothing to do with it unless Indians are not allowed to post on certain threads due to their citizenship…. am asking precisely what user countries are saying about the Chinese products. I have not said that they were of good or bad quality, i asked exactly what the foreign countries who bought such products think about the performance and user support of chinese products, a logic question in an EXPORT THREAD. Alas my nationality does not allow me to ask questions, if i do, my country is somehow brought into the debate from post 6 and later on insulted. As i mentioned n times before, atypical Chinese nationalist strategy to selectively allow who to post and who not to post.

This filtering process based on race, citizenship or difference of opinion or personal feuds with certain members is the reason why i call such nationalists drones and i fear that such people only wish to fill this board up with propaganda rather than discuss aviation, something this forum was ment for in the first place. If that was the case, then race would not have been brought in and they would have stuck to topic…. of course anyone can reread this thread and see what happened for themselves.

John

This is precisely what i have been asking, what has been the feedback from user countries of Chinese products………#

Why google for it, sure everything can be googled, i tried it, did not yield good results beyound what a President of a country would say,…..
Also this is a forum ment for discussion, if we start googling by ourselves, this or any other thread serves no purpose.

The only thing that annoys me in this thread is the constant mention of India or Indians being jealous of Chinese products, i really do not understand where this is comming from based on a feud between certain members of this forum and racist feelings of a certain Dragon…
I respect the Chinese aviation industry and the J-10 looks promising but i dont think that India or Indians at large are envious of current Chinese exports such as MiG-21s. Sorry. This is rather a line used on purpose to create a flame war by the racist nationalists who post around here. Remember comparisons with India was brought up by the nationalists themselves, not Indians. 🙂

Me and George posted as forum members, not Indians nor am I envious of Chinese products or people, I am not a nationalist, i deal with China due to business on a weekly basis and have many Chinese friends, I asked questions based on the topic,l i really do not understand what the point of this thread is all about if one cannot ask a question if he happens to be from a certain country or race because if he does he gets accused of being envious of Chinese acheavements. How pathetic.

The Dragon boy cant even stop mentioning India, he just cant help it. Its the strategy, note from post number 6 on this thread, the Indian bashing started.
I know that India does not export MiG-21 clones, its okay, we will live with it nor do we pretend to have mastered aviation which is why i find it confusing why Chinese people start comparing India and China? Why bring India up? This is a Chinese thread is it not?
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We all know that Chinese nationalists on this fora love to bring in the race card when choosing their arguments.

So far China has only been successful at exporting MiG-21 clones and the K-8 and is working on the FC-1 which is not comparable with the 4.5gen export market and its niche market remains to be countries which cannot afford better anyway. Bangladesh could not maintain its MiG-29s!

The question of quality was raised, not because of being envious due to being of Indian origin but rather out of curiousity. What have user airforces said about quality and maintainance support etc, this is a legit question and the link provided by a nationalist did not deal with that question. The only person who tried to answer this was Crobato without bringing up the race of members, Dragon boy and company were quick to bash Indians and India when the thread is about CHINA and in any event no Indian compared INdia to China, the Chinese themselves did :).

Now watch, they will bash bash bash based on race and country and never stick to aviation. I said this from my first post and this wont change.

India has no exports because it doesn’t have much of an aircraft industry.

Now what is a “propaganda” thread on an aircraft forum full of aviation enthusiasts? How does a thread on an internet forum become a propaganda thread?

Are you so much a nationalist driven by envy that you see any Chinese related thread as “propaganda”? :rolleyes:

If people like Chinese aircraft, then they are creating “propaganda” simply by posting Chinese aviation threads? What kind of retarded thinking is that?

Grow up and enjoy this forum as an aviation fan instead of some idiotic nationalist warrior who needs to treat Chinese threads as some kind of “propaganda” that you need to attack for your national “honor.”

Yawn yawn yawn, i talked about price not nationalism, stop your bs, you folks brought India up not me, i simply wanted to know about the price and quality argument and all your thoughts about it, full stop. Because India was brought up BECAUSE A MEMBER POSTING NAMED GEORGE HAPPENED TO BE INDIAN AND THEN SUDDENLY INDIA BASHING WAS CARRIED OUT= CHINESE NATIONALISTS CANT ANSWER SIMPLE ON TOPIC QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ATTACK INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS BUT RATHER ATTACK RACE OR COUNTRIES. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME. 🙂

lET ME SEE IF THE WORD India or Indian is not brought up when one asks questions. This is why i fear that this is a propaganda thread dragon boy. Had you stuck to topic, i would not have. Of course you will still evade the subject at hand and constant bring up India or Indians. 🙂

This is what the Chinese naitonalists do.

You will never be able to stick to topic, if one asks any questions, the race or nationality of the member gets attacked for no reason.

yawn

This is nuts. No one brought up India and still the extreme envy of anything Chinese brings the Indians here to use insults like “drones.”

Why does a simple thread on “Chinese exports” results in slurs and attempts to call Chinese people as something less than human?

If there are any “drones,” it’s the silly nationalists who crash this thread out of envy and nationalism.

As far as “price and quality,” the first sentence of this thread (and the previous) stated categorically that the world’s aircraft market is dominated by the West and Russia. No one is even attempting to claim that Chinese aircraft is of the same quality as American. And they are certainly far cheaper and affordable than US aircraft.

Americans know this intrinsically. So do French and Swedes too. That’s why they don’t need to trash every Chinese thread to prove anything.

But jealousy with Indians (whose aircraft “industry” doesn’t even have the ability to export anything) is so great that they feel the need to argue a point that no one is even making.

As far as customer satisfaction: let’s see, the export of hundreds of planes and keeping repeat customers from Africa to the Middle East to Asia are pretty good testament. If not, India’s neighbors would have bought something from the neighborhood :rolleyes:

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I had said in my first post on this thread that the typical Chinese nationalist tactic is to evade all arguments that are on topic by basing India.

Remember post number 6 on this very thread Dragonboy
The quality was poor originally, but has drastically improved as the technological base matured. Funny an Indian would be talking about quality when their planes tend to fall out of the sky all by themselves..

SO MUCH FOR NOT BRINGING INDIA UP ON UNRELATED THREADS.

This thread is titled Chinese exports, I only posted about price and George inquired about quality which ARE ON TOPIC SUBJECTS YAWN. On the other hand dirty shots at India and so on took place. First off India does not export much nor does it boost of exporting on this forum, none of us start such propaganda threads. 🙂 Your argument is mute.

I will say it again, when you ask on topic questions the Chinese nationalists cannot answer, they will simply try to evade the toopic by basing anyone else’s country or race.

This is afterall not the first time.

I can find no info about chinese planes and their performance in other airforces. Of course most of these airforces did not have a choice in buying Chinese in the first place. One wonders if Pakistan would have opted for a MiG-21 clone if
1) The US had not stopped the F-16 deal in the 1990s
2) Pakistan could afford French made aircraft beyound the MIrage 3 and 5s second hand types
3) Had access to Russian planes.

Price logic works for all those African buyers and of course Bangladesh who could not afford to maintain its MiG-29s. Let us wish them all the luck with the F-7. 🙂

Rather than having the PLA drones in this fora bashing India and bringing India up on an unrelated forum, perhaps they would like to answer the questions posed by george and comments made by myself in a rational manner. I will bet you that this wont happen though. 🙂