SameerAnother Indian carrier is in talks to buy 20 more Airbuses, this is a crazy week.
Jagson to buy 20 Airbus planes for $1.3 bn
Posted online: Friday, February 24, 2006 at 0000 hours IST
FEB 23: Jagson Airlines Ltd, an Indian airline which flies to northern tourist destinations with propeller planes, said it will buy as many as 20 planes from Airbus SAS for $1.3 billion to start a nationwide carrier.
Jagson held discussions with Airbus during the Singapore air show and is deciding on the financing for the project, the New Delhi-based airline said in a statement obtained by e-mail. The airline plans to buy 14 of Airbus’s A321 type of planes on firm order, with an option to buy another six.
SameerHence the latest orders for this week are 10 Boeings as posted two posts ago, 20 airbuses and 15 ATR-72 500s
Spice Jet, GoAir and Kingfisher Airlines being the big buyers of the week excluding the Indian Air Order.
SameerOne more Indian carrier goes for Airbuses. I have no clue how all these planes will be able to land and take off without major delays for the next 3 years until the Delhi and Mumbai airports are modernized.
GoAir to buy 20 Airbus planes for 5,300 cr
MUMBAI, FEB 22: GoAir has placed an order for 20 aircraft with Airbus at a contract value of $1.2 billion (approximately Rs 5,300 crore). The orders were placed in the Asian Aero Space Conference in Singapore on Wednesday.
“The additional aircraft will allow us to expand aggressively into the North Indian and metro-to-metro flight routes,” GoAir managing director Jeh Wadia said in a statement released here on Wednesday. GoAir currently operates 3 Airbus A320s on 24 flights covering 11 cities.
The airline required these planes in order to respond to the “tremendous growth in air traffic we are experiencing in India and the increasing demand for GoAir,” Mr Wadia added.
GoAir is a low-cost carrier promoted by the Wadia Group, launched in November 2005 with scheduled services to Goa, Ahmedabad, and Coimbatore from Mumbai. The airline had already announced its plans to expand its fleet to 36 aircrafts in three years and the current announcement is part of this plan.
“These aircraft will allow us to develop our network and introduce new routes not previously served and we are excited about being able to offer the “Fly Smarter” experience to more cities and passengers throughout India,” Mr Wadia said. The new aircrafts too would have a single-class economy layout with 180 seats.
SameerNDTV mentioned the Rafale rather than the M2K-5 during the |French Prez visit though….
SameerHere are some numbers of number of planes ordered excluding the Indian order
Excerpts from times of India
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Airbus to set up spare parts hub in India
In 2005, the European consortium had received orders for 221 aircraft for airlines in India, excluding Indian Airlines
Dr Rao said he expected the market to reach a plateau in 2-3 years time in India, but added that the industry would recover and witness a growth after the modernisation of airports in the metros and the construction of new airports in Bangalore and Hyderabad
GE bags $3bn engine deal from Indian carriers
Low-cost carrier SpiceJet signed a deal on Tuesday to buy 10 737 jets from US aircraft manufacturer Boeing worth $700 million at Asian Aerospace.
The deal includes an option to buy 10 more aircraft. The purchase is for five 737-800 and five 737-900ER models. Deliveries will begin in October 2007 with the handing over of 737-900ER first. Shipments will continue until 2009.
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As the economy continues to grow, the long term prospects look good while in the medium term a slow down of purchases is expected due to infrastructure of airposts… 🙂
SameerAll air carriers in India are buying and have netted billions for both Boeing and Airbus, I believe that Kingfisher Airlines has also bought some ATR planes as well….
SameerErr India has had good experience operating aircraft carriers and has used the Vikrant in war. In terms of them Chinese su-30ks, I highly doubt that the Gorshkov could put more than 8 fighters in the air within 20 mins to attack a squadron of say 16 mkks.
Its not even about the MiG-29K vs Su-30 (the IN will fact Indian sukhois for experience), its more about what country can put more aircrafts in the air. If the IN gets too close to Chinese naval airbases, its game over.
The IN lacks a good aster 30 type system, this mistake will come back to haunt them in the near future.
SameerWhite Clowd
Wanshan is probably one of the most respected members on the navy section of AFM and beyound. When he speaks, we listen.
SameerBut there is obviously a hole in the Kursk, bar the man made possibility to fool the French dude, what else could it be then if the Kursk hull is designed to withstand a hit from a mk-50?
Also if the Kursk was designed to withstand an mk-50, would distance from sub make a difference at all or any denotation before impact?
Any possibility wherein an mk-50 type torp would be able to penetrate a double hull?
As far as the debt cancellation, I have checked the IMF website and I can confirm that there was a large transfer of payment that month by Russsia but as per reports on the Russian transaction with the IMF, such repayments had been planned and expected by the IMF already….
SameerIN the movie it is mentioned that Tenet made a secret visit to Moscow that week, however critics argue that the CIA head visit was planned and publisized well in advance.
TENET VISITS MOSCOW — The CIA Director visited Moscow last week Friday, according to a spokesman for Russia’s FSB domestic security service. This appears to be part of a trip that has covered several countries formerly behind the Iron Curtain.
According to Interfax, George Tenet’s visit had been arranged long before a Russian nuclear submarine sank last Saturday, trapping 118 sailors, and it was unknown whether he would discuss this tragedy with his Russian counterparts. The United States may have information about the cause of the Kursk disaster. U.S. intelligence officials have said they monitored two explosions aboard the Kursk before it sank.
Interfax said Tenet most likely met with Russia’s foreign intelligence chief Sergei Lebedev to discuss issues of concern to both countries, such as terrorism, organized crime, drug trafficking and weapons proliferation. (Moscow: Reuters/Interfax/ Fri, 18 Aug 2000;
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/000818/1/aggb1.html (Jonkers)
Does anyone have direct evidence of Russian debt cancellation by Clinton as well?
I cant find any yet but I am looking.
SameerIf the above story is true, would that not be the closest humanity has ever been to nuclear war?
SameerOKay this is interesting because i recently watched the BBC documentary about the Kursk and I always wanted to start a thread to gauge the opinions of members here.
There is evidence that the USS Memphis and Toledo were in the area and that at least one of the subs was damaged.
The story went something like this
1 Accidental collission
2 Kursk pursues US sub
3 in self defence, fearing the launch of a Skhaval second US sub launches torpedo.
Admiral of Russian fleet flies off the Peter the Great, fighters are scrambled but aparently Clinton and Putin talk and Russian debt is cancelled by the US that same week and everyone is happy.
The show presents some evidnce on the hole of the Kursk and talks about it being made by a US torpedo.
US ‘torpedoed Kursk nuclear sub’
Daniel Stacey, London
May 09, 2005
A FORMER British military official has backed a sensational claim that the Russian nuclear submarine, the Kursk, was torpedoed by US forces in August 2000.
An official inquest concluded that the disaster – in which all 118 crew drowned in the Barents Sea, 135km off the Russian coast – was caused by an accidental explosion of an onboard torpedo.
But Maurice Stradling, a former torpedo engineer and a key figure in the original investigation, believes a new French documentary, The Kursk: A Submarine in Troubled Waters, should change world opinion on the sinking.
“On the balance of probabilities, the Kursk was sunk by an American MK-48 torpedo,” said Mr Stradling, formerly a senior member of the British Defence Ministry.
BBC editor Nick Fraser called the claim a “pack of lies” and has refused to air the documentary, which attracted a record audience of more than 4 million when it screened on French TV.
The BBC used Mr Stradling as its main authority for a documentary it made in 2001 – What Sank the Kursk?, in which Mr Stradling theorised that the sinking was caused by the malfunctioning of an old-fashioned HTP torpedo.
Mr Stradling, who also appears in the new French documentary, said: “At the time (2001), that was a perfectly reasonable film, given the facts as we knew them then, when there seemed to be no third-party involvement,”
The new explanation for the Kursk’s downing is based on film footage of a hole in the side of the vessel, and evidence placing US submarines in the area at the time it was sunk.
The French film shows stills of the Kursk raised above the water after being salvaged, with a precise circular hole in its right side. The hole clearly bends inwards, consistent with an attack from outside the submarine.
A US military source in the documentary declares the hole to be the trademark evidence of an American MK-48 torpedo, which is made to melt cleanly through steel sheet due to a mechanism at its tip that combusts copper.
The film suggests the attack happened while two US submarines, the Toledo and Memphis, were shadowing the Kursk in a routine military exercise.
The documentary says the Toledo accidentally collided with the Kursk, at which point the Russian submarine opened its torpedo tubes, leading to an attack from the Memphis, which was protecting the damaged Toledo while it retreated.
The cause of the sinking was covered up at the time in an act of diplomacy between then US presidents Bill Clinton and Russian President Vladimir Putin – a deal that included the cancellation of $US10 billion ($12.5 billion) of Russian debt, the film states.
After the documentary received its only public broadcast in Britain, some claimed the Russian navy had drilled the hole and fed doctored footage to the film-makers to create a false impression.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.a…55E2703,00.html
More about the Kursk sinking
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/KURSK/kursk.html
Norwegian Admiral says USS Memphis might have collided with Kursk
APL Kursk
The article from “Versiya” newspaper showing a satellite photo of the USS Memphis docked in Bergen, Norway, shortly after the Kursk accident
Torpedoes aboard an Oscar II-class submarine
control station aboard an Oscar II-class submarine
a Russian sailor during emergency training
Norwegian diver Paul Dinessen
Abdulkadir Ildarov – a Dagestani national was on station in the torpedo section of Kursk during the accident
One of the 12 bodies recovered from Kursk was that of Victor Kuznetsov, shown here with his son Dmitry
The former commander of the Norwegian Northern Force, Admiral Einar Skorgen, who retired in early December of 2000, told press that on August 17 six Russian military aircraft were pursuing an American submarine along the southern coast of Norway, nearly crossing into the Norwegian air space. Norwegian fighters were scrambled to intercept Russian planes. Adm. Skorgen said that it is possible that “Kursk” collided with a US submarine.
The statement by Admiral Skorgen was confirmed by the Russian Defense Minister, Igor Sergeyev. Russian media sources reported that wives of 12 US Navy sailors, serving on the USS Memphis, were secretly flown to Bergen, Norway, shortly after the Kursk accident. The US military officials did not comment on this report.
In its Dec. 6 issue, Russian “Pravda” newspaper reported:
“Igor Sergeyev, Russian defense minister, confirmed today in Brussels the comments by Rear-Admiral Einar Skorgen, former commander of the Norwegian Northern Force. According to the admiral, Russian anti-submarine aircraft did pursue on August 17 a foreign submarine escaping from the site of the nuclear submarine Kursk’s crash. Admiral Skorgen also said that Russian North Fleet aircrafts got so absorbed in the pursuit that it nearly violated the Norwegian air space, so Norwegian fighters scrambled in an emergency takeoff.
Luckily, the air space violation was avoided thanks to a contact between the Norwegian Air Force and the Russian North Fleet commanders.
In addition, according to the admiral, there was something mechanically wrong with the US submarine “Memphis” which entered the Norwegian port of Bergen.
Moreover, wives of 12 Memphis sailors were then urgently flown from the US to Norway, the purpose of their trip being kept secret”
After analyzing a 15 m long and 2 wide 10-tonn fragment of Kursk’s external hull (LK – light hull), experts of the “Rubin” submarine design bureau concluded that the damage observed on the submarine’s hull about 60 cm above the waterline was not caused by a torpedo explosion. The most likely cause of the damage sustained by the light hull of “Kursk” was a collision with an external object. Officially, three most likely causes are still being considered by the investigators: an explosion aboard Kursk, a collision with a WWII mine, and a collision with a foreign submarine. About 80% of russian experts investigating the Kursk accident believe that it was caused by a collision with another submarine.
Russia opened a “Kursk” international fund in Brussels, which accepts donations to help Russia raise “Kursk” next summer. According to Russia’s Vice-Premier and the head of the commission investigating the Kursk accident, Ilya Klebanov, out of about 500 methods of raising the submarine, review by the commission, two remain and the final decision will be made by the end of 2000. three foreign companies will cooperate with the “Rubin” design bureau in raising the submarine: the US-Norwegian “Hulliburton” and two companies from Holland.
Venik
Dec. 10, 2000
http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news001/news022.htm
So I ask, what the heck really happened to the damn Kursk?
SameerThe poor Sea harrier does not have bVR, have they discounted BVR from the exercises?
Wonder if the F-18 sales pitch is playing its part there.
SameerAre long term Russian Navy plans in sink with becoming a predominantly sub based force?
SameerWhat LPI radar has Russia developed lately in order for it to be installed on the Brahmos?
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