SameerIn any event, 50 MiG-29s sounds like a high number, I wonder if tey would not be better off with a slower su-25 type of aircraft or Hawk, no high performance fighter such as the MiG-29 will be needed in te region.
SameerMire from the same above link to those who blame Chavez without even bothering to read up
The most recent round of Venezuela’s ongoing economic crisis began with the U.S.-backed coup in April 2002, followed by the late 2002 general strike led by oil executives at the state oil monopoly Petroleos de Venezuela (PdVSA) and the business elite. The strike, which affected all sectors of the economy, paralyzed oil exports and cost the country nearly $8 billion.
The National Assembly’s Economic Advisory Office estimates losses to the country’s vital oil sector, which accounts for about one-third of gross domestic product, totaled $3.7 billion. The non-oil sector lost about $1.19 billion and the government said that as a result of the virtual shut down of the economy (meaning little revenue was coming in) it would have trouble meeting $5 billion in debt obligations for 2003.
SameerWhen Chavez took over in 99 he was inheriting an economy that was undergoing a long-term trend towards increasing poverty, misery, and inequality, let us not blame the chavez regime for all of Venezuela’s problems.
Economic contraction did not also start in 99 but before hand in a sort of cycle or growth and slump see 1982 capital flight for details. 🙂 Conviniently showing gdp figures for 99 till 2003 is a bias.
“The president who preceded Chavez, Rafael Caldera, again faced massive capital flight, due to a banking crisis. Devaluing the currency brought inflation to 70.8% in 1994, and price and exchange controls were imposed again. Another $1.4 billion IMF loan, with its structural adjustment, was negotiated in 1995. There were more privatizations: foreign investment increased, oil prices rose – but poverty kept on growing. This was the situation Chavez’s government inherited in 1999.
Their response was to try to improve the living standards of the people while trying to avoid discouragements to private investors. But the Venezuelan opposition’s incessant attacks on the Chavez government have severely sabotaged these efforts.”
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&ItemID=4544
SameerFSM
I was not accusing u of anything, I was making a general statement about the reason why the elites in Venezuela dont like Chavez, my posts had nothing to do with u.
Secondly u see to blame Chavez for a lack of investor confidence since u say “they would be happier if he were to go away”
Please before i provide u with any desired link, can u proove your above statement as to how investor confidence would suddenly increase?
You see Chavez has FACED COUPS BY THE ELITE WHO HAVE HURT INVESTOR CONFIDENCE, IF THE ELITES accepted the results of a democratic election as stated by Carter etc, then there would be no problem with investor confidence in the first place, investors dont come because of uncertainty about the Govt,. Chavez does not stop them from comming, and Govt instability can be taken care of if the opposition stops trying to have coups all the time non? 🙂
Chavez won the democratic election and should see his full term as the PEOPLE OF VENEZUELA WANT HIM T. Perez was a crook who was found guilty for embezzlement and who supported the last coup against Chavez, he deserves nothing better than jail time. It is no mystery to anyone why the rich oppose Chavez, they also control the media and this is where this POPULIST term stems from. Wanting to make Venezuela more equitable does not make one populist, surely he is more populist than Perez but when 67% of your populaiton live below the poverty line and your GDP per capita is higher than it should, u realize that income distribution in the country is skewed towards a monority and this is wrong and if Chavez wants to change that, it does not make him a populist, it makes him human, he may be bad, thatis not my point, my point is that we really dont know how good or bad he really is since the opposition ahs made the country difficult to run by doing such things as coups, playing around with the banks etc. 🙂
SameerSpeaking of MiG-29s, will they be getting the Zhuk M or a mini Bars like the one rumoured for the Indian MiG-29Ks?
SameerHe cant really domuch if the elitists dont let him ud, there is a good article on the Economist about such a thing.
In any event i think that Venezuela would be better off with second hand Mirage 2000s
p.s Maybe if he came from a different neighbourhood he would not be seen as such a populist by some :rolleyes:
And yes there needs to be some measures that are a bit more populist in venezuela, with 67% of the population living in poverty most of them belonging to a certain skin colour, i am saddened to see some talking about chavez being bad and the former ones being btter, they were corrupt and served the rich wxxxx classes. The economy contracted in 99 because of lack of investor confidence and a drop in oil prices at the time. INvestor confidence is due to the chaos that a certain segment of society is causing because they arenot ahppy about a poor peasent running the country, I am not saying that Chavez is good but surely he has not had a stable gov and the real powers of the ladn have done everything to undermine him. If the rich would stop trying out the concept of coups and thent alking about democracy all the time lol, maybe Investor confidence would increase non? 🙂
Who said Chavez is a populist? Compared to Perez, anyone is, i certainly hope that u did not get that from the Venezuelan media which is the most unbiased source of news for the rich,oops i mean the poor? 🙂
SameerWhat do you think the regional and ideological ambitions are of the radical ruling the country?
BTW Have you seen the annual GDP growth of Venezuela (via worldbank http://devdata.worldbank.org/external/CPProfile.asp?SelectedCountry=VEN&CCODE=VEN&CNAME=Venezuela%2C+RB&PTYPE=CP)
1999: -6.1% $103.3 billion
2002: -8.9% $94.3 billion
2003: -9.2% $84.8 billionAnd inflation of nearly 40% (GDP deflator) per annum.
If the madman keeping the country hostage currently is about as good in maintaining regional peace as he is in conducting a healthy economic policy, some ‘nice’ surprises are waiting for us in the near future.
Wrong, this “madman” cant really do much because cetain people who belong to a certain class of societey have done everything to not let the reforms through and or undemine every single decision he made, why i do not know, maybe because he is not of a type fo skin colour, maybe because he is from the low class but its not fair to blame it all on him and call him a madman, i have been there myself with a few IMF ppl and believe me, its surely not all his fault not even to a large extent.
SameerI do not think that there is much of a difference btw the MKI and 35 minus Israeli EW and a two man cockpit. Both have canards and thrust vect designs.
SameerVlueshark can be added to the list of so called experts around here, his last sentence says it all.. 🙂
SameerAnd how would they go about intergrating the missile with the current F-16A radar? Isn’t it better to buy the Gifro xxxx F-16 replace,ent radar which would provide both air to air and air to ground attack modes and similar radar to the FC-1?
In any event what is the range of the sd-11?
SameerAnyone heard of a curious news, aparently in 2001 F-15s of the idF shot down two MiG-29s from Syria who aparently turned on a Boeing which was collecting defence data close to the border? More F-15s and F-16s were scrambled and the 2 MiGs were shot down with Python 4s?
SameerWell. Pilots allways tell that their planes is the best. So those Flanker boys are probably doing the expected. Does that make your statement wise? Maybe even better question… Based on what? Ant source?
And you rather sit in F15? Here in Netherlands they have gained a lot of experience with Soesterberg (CR) F15’s and Leuwarden F16’s. The F15 had advantage when they had BVR. But in close range it wasn’t very easy for them. Maybe I am not pro but I don’t have to be. Atleast I do not shout without any data.
Training in the US of A does not make IAF super. O I forgot. That seems to be raising confidence… Cool for you. Joining with a few jags. And those ground attack F15’s in India where just to get more funds for F22. Don’t tell me they lost with ease.
Before you all throw hot air. IAF isn’t top league.
If the PAF is in the top league, there is no way the IAF ever will be. 🙂
Now u can o back home and feel proud
There is a lot of data available on F-15 vs F-16, google.com
SameerI think that the “unagility of the su-30 vs the F-16 has something to do with a certain other country also using the A model of the kind. 🙂
India goes to Israel to train, Israel is a great AF and we can learna lot from them. This is normal stuff, maybe training will be received with AWACS as well. We are buying the Phalcon from them.
SameerISrael is delivering the MKI avionics. They are aware of the capabilities of the IAF. About IAF goign to train in ISrael… Where? ISrael is going abroad to Turkey to get some space. Whether IAF is going to learn a lot by fighting against IDEAF F16’s… Getting close to F16’s isn’t very smart for the bigger plane. Using BVR… Well. That sounds more like math then real combat.
It would not be wise for a Su-30 to get close to an F-16? What an expert u are. 🙂
F-15s which tend to be bigger than the 16 have often made mince meat out of the F-16s but I won’t even bother saying more. Let your pst speak for itself.
SameerThe IAF MiG-29 vs M200 dogfight ratio is 7-3 for the MiG always.
But the F-16 becomes quite a bag when it is loaded up with bombs, that is what the PAF will use it for most likely, the F-16 won’t be the dogfighter, it will be escoted by the FC-1.
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