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  • in reply to: Agni II #2058386
    Sameer
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    http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_981300,0008.htm

    The above is from AUG 31 too. The missiles are not able to carry nukes.

    All this echos what the CIA/FBI reports claimed, what the rediff interview of KARNAD claimed and what the DRDO boss Aatre claimed yesterday.

    thank you.

    That is the author’s inference, not Atre, all Atre said was that the test was the first with the army, but those already delivered Agnis, they must just be there for fun and carrying ras malais and jalebis non 🙂

    in reply to: Agni II #2058392
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    Yes budget has increased which has resulted in India being far from having a nuclear delivery operational system as of yesterday’s news.

    thank you

    It seems like u folks want to believe in something very much, go ahead, I have posted 10 articles which say otherwise with exact quotes but then again what do I know, Thapar must know more than kalam, Atre and the defence minister combined 🙂

    in reply to: Agni II #2058398
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    I had posted this same article a page before, conviniently ignored, its weird isn’t it the same press conference….. 🙂

    Its sad that u folks dont get the basic point, there is a difference btw a quote and interpretation 🙂

    AND NOTICE HOW NUMBERS HAVE BEEN DELIVERED… 🙂

    in reply to: Agni II #2058401
    Sameer
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    This is what Atre said btw

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040901/asp/nation/story_3702282.asp
    Agni test checks nuke-war power
    SUJAN DUTTA
    New Delhi, Aug. 31: An Agni II missile test-fired on Sunday 100 days after the Manmohan Singh government took over was the first experiment by the army in a likely war scenario of the nuclear-weapon delivery system.

    The missile, which has a range of 2,000-plus km, was configured to fly 1,200 km with a “lofted approach”. The reduced range also probably means that it was fired with a heavier payload to simulate a nuclear warhead.

    So far the Agni II had been test-fired by the Defence Research and Development Organisation either for technical corrections or as technology demonstrators. There have been nine test-firings of the Agni series.

    The DRDO chief and scientific adviser to the defence minister, V.K. Aatre, said here today that the last test-firing on Sunday was done by the army under the guidance of DRDO scientists. The Agni II was in limited-series production and in the process of being inducted into the army. Test-fired with a “horizontal approach”, the missile is capable of longer ranges.

    Aatre retired today. His place as the DRDO head will be taken by M. Natarajan, who headed the DRDO main battle tank programme.

    Aatre admitted that there was a slippage in the programme for the long-range (3,000-plus km) Agni III strategic missile that is being prepared. “I would have liked to see it tested before I left. But now it is up to the next man to decide when it will be tested”, he said.

    Aatre said the Agni I and the Agni II are “absolutely-developed” missiles. “We have completely-developed systems for these two missiles and a certain number have been delivered to the army.”

    Its funny how Thapar then made up bs about delivery from Mirages etc only 🙂

    in reply to: Agni II #2058406
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    Idia tested since early 70s, those who claim that India does not have nukes are naive and I invite them to think that way, as posted before the nuclear budget in India has been steadily increased, theICA estimates that it stands at 5B per year, that is more than the Pak millitary budget, but all that money must be going into making dosas and chapatis I guess. 🙂

    in reply to: Agni II #2058408
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    Ok lets not make at a flame war 😀 just reply with articles etc. no baseless assumptions (both sides 😀 )

    Its funny that u would say that because i have posted a page of articles myself which have conviniently been ignored.

    It seems like people dont seem to want to understand that Atre never said certain things too, I hope that someone can get us the press confrence and his exact words.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058430
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    You guys still dont get it do u 🙂

    Atre never said that the only way India can deliver nukes is with planes, that was the author’s inference because as he says the Agni 3 is aparently 6 months away from a test 🙂 but do continue to try to lock this thread. Yet another Indian thread attacked 🙂

    in reply to: Agni II #2058431
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    I feel its a good thing India doesnt have nukes. It will be even a better thing if PAKISTAN doesnt have nukes too. And you know what will be best, if this whole world could become nuclear weapons free.

    So we can live peacefully.

    thank you.

    For once I agree fully and what the heck happened to the thread? 🙁

    in reply to: Agni II #2058593
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    Let us get it right at least, the only thing Atre said in his press conference was that the latest Agni test was the first test where the Army led the way, how this suddenly became “the agni not operational with nukes by pdf memebrs” will always amaze me, but then again those two journos dont realy cut it either for misquoting Atre.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058614
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    I also never knew that Kalam the former head was a liar when he said that the Agni was capable of carrying a nuclear payload but as a pdf memebr put it “what can hindxx do right”
    pathetic

    in reply to: Agni II #2058616
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    You cannot outlaw the Communist party in India, actually there are 2 main partys that are communists, if they win elections, they get seats, there is nothing anyone can really do about that, they are very strong in the east, incidetally these states lag behind others in terms of economic development. 🙁

    in reply to: Agni II #2058623
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    Speculation about Indian nuclear warhead weight being used on the Agni

    http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/ballistic/agni-1-01.htm
    The payload is believed to be 1,000 kg with a separating 200 kT nuclear warhead that weighs around 500 kg. The payload section has a length of 3.8 m and a body diameter of 0.8 m, and has four moving delta control fins at the rear to manoeuvre during the terminal phase using what has been described as an INS/GPS guidance module with a radar correlation terminal guidance system. An accuracy of 100 m CEP has been reported. Agni 2 was first launched in April 1999, from a converted rail carriage, using a system similar to that used by the Russian SS-24 ‘Scalpel’ missile, with a carriage roof that slides open to allow the missile to be raised to the vertical for launch by two large hydraulic pistons. The launch process is controlled from a separate railcar. It is believed that the Agni 2 missile can also be launched from a road TEL vehicle, and that this was used for the second test flight in January 2001. The Agni 2 upgrade version has a maximum range of 3,500 km, which may be achieved by reducing the payload weight to 750 kg, or by upgrading the motors.
    Agni 3 is reported to have a maximum range of 5,000 km. This missile may have both first and second stages as solid-propellant motors similar to those used on Agni 2, with a liquid- or solid-propellant third stage. Alternatively, it is reported that a new solid propellant first stage motor with a diameter of 1.8 m may be used, with the existing Agni 2 stages forming the second and third stages.

    Some more info about Agni deployments
    It is reported that some 5 to 10 Agni 1 missiles have been built and are held in operational storage.
    The Agni programme was restarted in 1997, and, in July 1998 the Indian government announced plans to test two Agni 2 missiles. The first launch of Agni 2 was made in April 1999 from a rail car launcher located on Wheeler’s Island, near Orissa in the Bay of Bengal. This flight was over a range of 2,100 km, and is reported to have carried a dummy warhead to test the safety and arming unit in real flight conditions. A second test flight was made in January 2001 from Wheeler’s Island, over a range of 2,400 km, and it is believed that this launch was made from a wheeled TEL vehicle. It is believed that low-rate initial production of the Agni 2 version has been started, with an initial order for some 10 to 20 missiles. A small number (less than 5) of Agni 2 missiles are believed to have been operationally available from late 2000, and a production rate of 15 to 20 missiles a year has been suggested. Agni 3 is in full development and a first test flight is expected by 2003.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058624
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    More info on Agni 2 from FAS
    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/india/missile/agni-improvements.htm
    Conclusion: Agni-II is the preferred method of nuclear weaponization

    Although conventional warheads of all types have been developed for use with the Agni-II, from bomblets to guided munitions to fuel air explosives, Indian analysts argue that the missile costs too much to develop exclusively for conventional payloads. It is anticipated that India may deploy several dozen of these missiles, but if they were deployed with only conventional explosives, the entire stock would probably be used up just to destroy a few air fields or Pakistani command and control bunkers with high confidence, despite the increased accuracy of the Agni-II design. The Indian air force is superior to that of Pakistan and would be much more efficient in destroying air fields, command and control bunkers, and artillery positions. For example, in the 1971 war, India was able to fly over 500 air sorties in just a 24-hour period despite having already been attacked by Pakistan in preemptive strikes on Indian airfields.

    Therefore, the most likely warhead the Agni-II would carry is a one-ton nuclear device, using a 43-45-kiloton thermonuclear design that India claims was tested successfully on 11 May 1998. Then-DRDO Director A. J. P. Abdul Kalam confirmed in April 1999 that nuclear warheads can be fitted on the Agni-II.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058628
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    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/india/missile/agni-improvements.htm
    Also in spring 1999, officials at DRDO told Defense News that they were developing an ambitious plan to produce 20 Agni missiles by the end of 2001.
    In an August 1999 Independence Day Speech, Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee said Agni-II would be inducted into the Air Force.
    Defense Minister George Fernandes told reporters, “Without weaponization, this question of being a nuclear weapons state does not make any sense. Nuclear weaponization is necessary, and in the ultimate analysis inevitable.”

    · In April 1999, the BJP coalition approved the first test of the new Agni-II Intermediate-Range Ballistic Missile (IRBM), and the government also approved calls for a 59 percent budgetary boost for the Department of Atomic Energy and a 62 percent increase for the Department of Space. The DAE oversees the Bhabha Atomic Research Center, which is responsible for warhead design, production, and fabrication, while the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) is closely integrated with India’s military ballistic missile programs.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058631
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    From the same source
    “During the tense standoff between India and Pakistan in January 2002 the new naval chief Admiral Madhvendera Singh made some ambiguous comments about naval nuclear weapons in his initial news conference. “We have a triad of weapons for a second strike and one of the triad is at sea. The most powerful leg of the triad is in the navy and is hidden under water and moving.”

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