and I do not think that anyone is denying that the LCA is delayed, partly due to technical difficulties, daa, we are new at this, Govt funding, economic crisis, th nuclear sanctions seems to escape certain memebrs, Arthur it is not about just defending the LCA or not, its the fact that you have only had negative things to say and u have constantly been attacking it over and over again renewing your old arguments from page 2 over and over again after being trashed aside.
“The second article proves that the developmental work on the LCA didn’t start in 1983 because not even the engine was chosen by mid 1986, let alone the project definition. Another nail in the coffin of the 1983 “start” date of the LCA charade.”
As Victor said 🙂 bw Yahoo has posted two articles, you shoul read them before.
You also seem to conviniently forget that money for the project was suspended due to the 91 econ crisis courtesy of the IMF, but you can keep on ignoring that, now you move from nose to date to Kaveri to nose to date to aerodynamics…. 🙂
I should run a regression to see the corrolation of your posts.
funny thing is you accept the positive info on LCA from the articles and deny the negatives 😉
Any info where the AESA stands?? I wont be surprised if its delayed from 2010 ready, and another thing..they spent so much time on MMR just to make ~30-40 units of it?? since members say post 2010 LCA would have AESA…so..oh well..I dont understand whats going on with the LCA radar business..
Could you please reask your question?
What negatives? 😀
The nose too small has been debunked
LCA started in 83 pdf theory has been debunked by Yahoo himself, thanks Yahoo
What negatives are you reffering to?
Kaveri?
we have been complaining about that damn thing for a long time ourselves. 🙂
You do not understand what is going on with the LCA radar business?
It will be tested on the PV2 later this year, there, now you know. 🙂
Work on the AESA has started, early stages still of course, post 2010 it is predicted to be ready, I would put it around 2013, that is my estimate but its not like AESA while advantageous is the end of the world, neither the J-10 or FC-1 have an AESA.
Maybe Harry as more than the abstract of the paper?
Atre also mentions that their intention is for 10-12 test flights a month weather permitting btw
I think that the rest of the paper has been taken ofline or the ada website is changing things around,l it was working well last week. 🙁
Dosa and sambar, that is a SOuth Indian dish, very spicy though but tasty, you have yet to live if you did not have that.
“Okay, fair enough. Do you have a picture of how the MMR will fit in the nose of the LCA, like in a cutaway view or perhaps an opened mockup? Because if the nose (as is on the prototypes) is not too small, i am seriously interested in how it is done, and what sort of radar that MMR is.”
My friend, we may eat dosa and sambar in Blore but we are not that dumb as to design a radar tha can’t fit into the nose from bulkhead down.
BTW you can educate yourself on the LCA like the rest of us, here is an official report on the wind tunnel tests done on the LCA, you will find all your manouverability and vortices questions answered, at least partly, you come back with another fighter project with so much open source info…. 🙂
http://www.ada.gov.in/sarod/Speakers/Dr._S.R.Mohan-abstract.pdf
One must get his hands on the entire paper though, maybe one has it
umm..one more thing..isnt the LCA of future we’re comparing to Gripen of few years old? ..maybe it’s more logical to compare it with Gripen of 2010? same goes for M2k. Can LCA match M2k-9 or 5 or are we comparing it to m2k-h?? or something like that? , we have to be specific which version is being compared.
You should look back a few pages, it has been mentioned 100 times that due to vetrivale upgrades etc the LCA avionics will be more advanced than the MKI avionics, that is what has been claimed, cmparing to Gripen avionics etc, noone has stated anything about this. And Arthur, my I see that you did not get my Zhuk comments, I started this after your nose theory by looking at pics, you can go back a few pages, I already mentioned this. 🙂
NOt really rubbish, I am sick and tired of using the google searfch engine for you Arthur, everytime you have asked me for a source, I have provided them to you, you can search for the test pilot comments about the LCA on google.com, and hyes only a handful said that, you know why?
Because only a handful of pilots have flown the LCA! 🙂
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It has been said to you for 11 pages, that is why its so long, that the LCA nose is big enough for the MMR radar, u know, that radar that was DESIGNED for the LCA, so when you ay short distance btw bulkhead and blablabla, a new addition after 11 pages :), what d you mean, you are the one who is using rough language over here not me, you are right I dont understand what you say? The LCA nose is tooo short, nose to small, whatever you want to call it for what? Obviously not the MMR, hence it is a non issue. Also you can look at all the pics you like, unless you know about the internal layout of the LCA you can only assume and have theories, you also seem to think that the designers made a nose that could not fit anything but the radar without any other gear, a good theory for drunk Indian designers perhaps….. And please address all memebrs respectfully, I have yet to tell you to shut up and you should try the same thing, unless I am mistaken you would not be here if you knew that much more than we did, you would be working in the Eurofighter project or lecturing in a University.
You do not have the internal dimensions of the nose, you started it not us, crobato made a reasonable argument about the Zhuk M BEING too big, but it is yet you who is selectively reading, you take one thing that he says and then for the other thing, it becomes a deduction, give me a break. This thread has more open source info than any other, most of the J-10 thread is deduction, go there and harp on that logic, not here.
Oh but Arthur Iam only doing the same thing you are doing, you said that the nose was too small, relative to what? I do not know, if you can deduce certain things without internal dimensions etc, then so can I, besides deductions work well on other threads and I do not see you complaining about that. 🙂
The M2000 was a benchmark and the LCA is ment to beat it, a lot of IAF pilots have commented on it, Harry has already posted about this, you can go back, I won’t waste my time, there are 11 pages here. It is you who keeps on harping LCA=Viggen and then calling all who go against that as mere fanboys. :0
No. The same question will be not asked in next few weeks. The same kind of thread will be started some time next year just to see the claims. Further M2K purchase will hasten the start of that thread. So bye bye untill next summer for LCA :p
Wow proof that you are more interested in trolling rather than discussion, mods should take note. The M2000 purchase has nothing to do with the LCA, we can prove that to you too with quotes from the Air Chief, the IAf is increasing squadron strength and is retiring the MiG-23s and non Bisoned MiG-21s. It is good to know that you quit. 😀
oh let me conclude for the night
Much of the MKI avionics is sourced from LCA work, the LCA will have upgrades and more advanced avionics than the MKI, great tarang EW gear which is replacing all Russian etc gear in the IAF, work on an AESA has started and will be ready post 2010, LCA g limits are +9, -3, what else do you want to know, oh yes, much of the flight envelope has finished testing, monsoon rain permitting, wel will finish that soon enough, PV2 will be with the MMR and weapons testing will commence later this year or early next year in the worst case scenario. 🙂
A simple google.com will provide u will all this info
Please also check the weekly updates on the LCA from the ADA, the organization that built and is testing the damn thing. 🙂
ONly in India…..