SameerFlex
A canard version was tested in the wind tunnels and on computer simulations and they found that it had no improvement in manouverability, the LCA will have sustained turn rates as per data available and MADE PUBLIC UNLIKE some other fighters out there, comparable to any 4th gen fighter. The LCA design is also not 20yrs old, it was relooked at in the early 90s when funding for the project was cleared! Some people do not seem to let go of the fact that cranked deltas are different from a traditional delta, maybe a first year aerophyscs course could help them out or google.com, as far as obsolete, lol, what do you mean exactly, what is an obsolete highly composite cranked delta design that you know of? And quite frankly I could care less that an F-16 was designed in the 60s, if the plane can, with a few tweaks, match the Typhoons and Rafales, we are talking about aerodynamics here, then obsolete is a mute thing to say. Shalav had a good thread a while back comparing the turn rates of the Tejas to other fighters, the LCA had similar performance, so quite frankly, I do not see your point, for all I care the LCA could have been conceived in the 30s, if it can still have the aerodynamics of a plane today, then…
Some info abot cranked deltas which are not to be confused with traditional deltas.
http://www.f-16.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=61&page=1
“The wing planform was altered in a cranked-arrow delta wing (120% larger than the original F-16 wing), with extensive use of carbon composite materials (in the upper and lower layers of the skin) to save weight. Weight savings in the wings alone amounted to 600lbs. or 272kg. The wing is of multi-spar design with the leading edge sweep angle ranging from 50º to 70º, and is 2,800lbs (1,179 kg.) heavier than the original. The increase in internal volume (both by lengthening the fuselage and expanding the wing) allowed for a 82% increase in internal fuel capacity, while the increased wing area allowed the incorporation of up to 27 stores stations. Despite the apparent lengthening of the fuselage involved with the program, the new XL designation does NOT stand for “extra large”.
Through wing planform improvements and camber optimizations, the final configuration offered a 25% improvement in maximum lift-to-drag ratio over the F-16 supersonically, and 11% improvement subsonic. The handling of the F-16XL was reportedly quite different from that of the standard F-16, offering a much smoother ride at high speeds and low altitudes. The configuration had matured into a very competent fighter with a large wing that allowed low-drag integration of large numbers of external weapons.”
p.s we can finish this on the Indian defence thread or whatever, not here, this is the picture thread.
SameerI have heard that the MMR is closer to being a finished product, surely it will be tested with limited modes once intergrated on the PV2, I do not think that I have heard of any Zhuk Tejases.
SameerAny talk of what is happening to the Harriers of the Viraat?
Are they being upgraded, any plans to buy second hand ones from the UK?
SameerBecause the IAF needs to maintain and even expand its squadron strength and many planes such as the MiG-23s are leaving the force, the first 8 LCAs will enter service in 06 but large sale production will probably start by late 07-08 timeframe. PLus, no more money can be thrown at the LCA, its called the decreasing returns in econ. The LCA btw will begin weapons testing later this year when the PV2 comes online, the Kopyo has been dropped, meaning, the MMR must be ready, at least in minimum modes.
SameerBBC mentions Rahul Bedi from Janes in this story talking about something else, maybe it was from him, India will buy Mirages, my bed is a contract signing in the summer of 05, when India says that it intends to buy something, it tends to do just that.
30M is probably the nacked version of the 2K-5, do not worry Dassault does not like India that much. 🙂
SameerDoes it really matter?, Israel won didn’t it? For all I care the SYrians could have shot down 60+ planes, they still lost and to be honest are in bad need of some modernization although they do not have an Uncle Sam to help them out. Speaking of which, what will be the plane chosen to be Sria’s next gen fighter anyway?
MiG-29M2, no pak-fa yet so….
Sameer[QUOTE=Yahoo25]None of the countries that you mentioned has Active Nukes with 2500 Km
range Solid fuel billistic missiles. That alone give them enough for bragging :p[/QUOTe
Would you mind explaining what you mean exactly, is India the onky country with nukes and ballistic missiles, probably one of the few with a no first use policy yes. 🙂 especially when that country, as per golbalsecurity.org, encarta, cnn, bbc, shall I go on?, does not tend to start wars anyway.
SameerI presume that it is the unit cost for a large scale production, it probably does not include all the extras to say the least, I would add another 15M for those at least!
SameerThat is 3.78B for 126 Mirages + probable additional costs such as spares
Sameerhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3876401.stm
That list is extensive and involves heavy spending by all three services.
All three military services have big bills in the offing
The Indian air force has agreed to buy 126 Mirage jest from France – worth $30m each – as well as 66 Hawk trainer fighter jets from the UK.
MORE confirmation of the Mirage talks, wonder how close the contract really is, maybe next year.
SameerI have yet to hear a single Russian source confirm that Russia has any intentions of giving the Indians Akula II hulls. Improved Akula, maybe.
It does not really matter since even the Akula will add quite a punch anyway, me thinks that there is a combo of a lease and tech transfer on certain items for the ATV project under the table but this is INdia’s top secret project, noone really knows, until someone can get me a pic of an Akula in Indian waters, something unlikely for someone to have since it won’t be advertising itself anyway, I will just wait for the ATV news.
Sameer😀
From where you get that India pay in hard cash in advance?. Only PAF paid
F-16 advance.
NEWS
Payment problems may delay MiG delivery
By Vladimir Radyuhin
16 April
The Hindu
. Russia is to deliver the first MiG-29K fighter plane for the Gorshkov aircraft carrier in early 2007, but the schedule may be pushed back due to a delay in financing the project.The signing of the contract for the acquisition of Gorshkov on January 20 set the clock ticking for the MiG aircraft corporation to supply 16 wing-folding ship-borne MiG-29K planes between the 36th and 52nd weeks from the date of the deal. However, New Delhi is still to make advance payment for the aircraft, even though the money should have come two months ago.
Under a $700-million deal, the MiG Corporation is to build 12 combat MiG-29K planes and four MiG-29KUB trainers, as well as train 12 pilot-instructors in takeoff and landing on the Gorshkov deck.
The General Director of the MiG Corporation, Valery Toryanin, said he did not know the reason for the funding delay even though he had sent the invoice to India shortly after the contract was signed. Indian sources said the Russian invoice had reached New Delhi too late for the payment to be made before the new fiscal year began on April 1.
Notwithstanding funding problems, the MiG Corporation has come a long way with preparations for building the MiG-29K, retooling equipment, storing materials and signing contracts with suppliers. Mr. Toryanin told The Hindu that his company was 80 per cent ready to start constructing MiG-29K for India. However, further payment delay may affect the delivery schedule, he said.
The MiG manufacturers hope the Gorshkov contract will pave the way for more sales of MiG planes to India.
The Indian Air Force has a large fleet of MiG-21, MiG-27 and MiG-29 aircraft, but recently they have been outshone by the longer-range SU-30MKI built by MiG’s Russian competitor, the Sukhoi company.
The MiG Corporation is taking part in an IAF tender for a light attack aircraft with the MiG-29MRCA (multi-role combat aircraft), a land-based version of the shipborne MiG-29K. The company has not abandoned efforts to sell India its new advanced jet trainer, MiG-AT, built jointly with France. The MiG-AT, which has Larzak engines and Talas avionics, has recently been fully certified and is expected to be inducted by the French Air Force.
In a wide-ranging interview, Mr. Toryanin touched upon the problem of MiG-21 crashes in India. While admitting he did not have the full picture, he said “poor maintenance and faulty spares” purchased from “unauthorised dealers” were part of the problem.
“The MiG Corporation can supply practically the full range of spares, but India orders from us only five to six per cent of what the IAF needs.”
To resolve the problem, the MiG and HAL have revived the idea of setting up a service centre in India to provide comprehensive maintenance to all the MiG-series aircraft in service with the IAF, establish and remove causes of equipment failures, and undertake marketing of MiG planes in South East Asia. Later on, the centre could gain a regional status, the MiG company head said.
YAWN THE MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET AND BEING TRANSFERRED, get a life.
SameerWow. Methinks we could have known it… We can not stop concluding that some posters cannot stop moving away from the subject are results of deep rooted inferiority complex. Should I say that their nation is less? Nope. I respect India and Indians. Cause there are flamers everywhere. And this one is probably with more then nick cause this kind of comment with just a few posts is pretty standard and cheap… Just like using Pakistani names and post stupid posts about India. Can we return to the subject cause sofar there are not much Chinese or Pakistani flaming in Indian topics so can we keep this clean? Cheers.
Ok it should eb said nicely, Sweden will prefer India because India has more hard cash. This thread is now dead, no Grippens and no awacs, just because someone points out the obvious does not mean they have complexes. and PLA, aren’t you Pakistani anyway, judging from that name of yours, you should eb the last one to use the term “complexes”
SameerJust because the Chinese designer says that the sd-10 is good does not mean it is, I am sorry, there cfould be n reasons why he would say that and it being good is one of them but just one possibility! If China said that it will sell the sd-10, why go to Ukraine if this article is to be believed, btw phrozen if a missile is not ready yet, it cant possibly be upto specs yet! :), or else they would be finished with it already!
In any event a stupid decision to go for the Alamo, the IAF has it, I’d rather wait for the sd-10 whenever it comes.
SameerIndia is simply keeping the budget at 2.5% of GDP, since the economy is growing fast, the allocation in the budget has to increase to reflect the 2.5% figure. Looks like we are having more and more confirmation about the Mirage deal!
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