Air Marshal (Retd.) Ayaz Ahmad Khan in the PIADS article gives the following figures for the PAF

per 10,000 flying hours for time period 97-98
it was 1.40 attrition rate

I won’t bother putting the IAF attrition up there because this thread has nothing to do with the IAF and I do not wish to ridicule yet another Hatoum 🙂

Saleem kindly proove what you have just said above please

1) Please provide me with proof that the IAF bought 70 MiG-21s last year?
2) PLease do tell us where you have heard the Il-76 figure from?
3)”PAF still has a very sophisticated and high standard in training pilots and by comparision IAF still lacks behind PAF in skill training, acquiring good quality pilots and the infrastructure to train pilots.”
Again please provide proof of the above or is it a pakdef trait to simply say things without backing it up

I was under the impression that the PAF does not even have DACT taining, ACM etc, but please provide with proof and show me how an airforce that is currently training with the best in the world aka the French and the Yankees is not good? Also do tell us of PAF training hours and recent training results?

Unless you can answer all these quesitons, please do not try to put lies around here, lol, how sad.

and Saleem IAF attrition has nothing to do with this thread, in any event it would not be wise for me to bring up PAF attrition now would it, hence better stick to topic. More interestingly, does Lybia plan to replace its old Mirages that it plans to sell with a newer 4th gen fighter, perhaps an SMT a la Algeria.

Phrozenflame could you please tell me what flaming means?
Sabre Ace did not use any racial slurs and talked about aviation?
I seem to be quite confused as to how that qualifies as a flame?

in any event we are all waiting for a workable link to the so called forecast international article on the Griphen thread 🙂

bring it on

dude don’t worry, no offence is being taken and do not worry as long as you can come here with an open mind I doubt that flame wars will start, and btw I was not suggesting that you were saying all these things, I was responding to the article and posts made on earlier pages as well, sorry if i came out too strong. Hey the French sure taught us a good lesson a year before when it came to BVR believe me although their radars were better than our Mirages’ but we learnt a lot. And let there be no doubt that with AWACs and their jammers, the USAF would surely beat the IAF.

The strike package were not interested in engaging the F-15s, the number comparison is obviously mute but I guess that conviniently such fine detail can be forgotten these days. 🙂

Advise to all indians

get out of this thread, it is not worth it, there have been so many such threads in the past, why am I not surprised that Zaheer or whatever his name is would bring up Kashmir on the Griphen thread, let them be, the Quatar Mirages are staying at Quatar, the Belgian F-16s are going to Bulgaria, the Mirage 2005s are not going to the PAF and as for the Griphen, let them say what they wish, this is a virtual forum anyway, I have made this bet already, if the Griphen deal is signed this time, you PAF FANS can post as much as you wish about PAF getting this and that and noone will ever even dare to say anything anymore, if not then please drop the dreams and no more of this every 2 months. This was the same 2 yrs ago, nothing much has changed.