How gives a f**k about your Russian and Israeli media.

Wanna wager them against AFP (Agencie France Presse).

Or how about the International Herald Tribune.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/29/asia/AS-GEN-China-Israel-Iran.php

Israeli foreign minister visits Beijing in bid for new sanctions on Iran

Here is Forbes reporting the Israeli PM visit to China to impose sanctions to Iran.

http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2007/10/18/afx4233724.html

Why are you selling J-10s to Iran when you are planning SANCTIONS against Iran?

You just cannot face the fact of your irresponsible Russian sources because it means to everyone reading in this forum, that your sources are worth their weight in the material you put in the toilet.

Gentlemen, may I suggest we leave the “fury” aside and try to focus ouselves back on the “facts”?:rolleyes:

Here’s how I see it:

a- Iran is not currently under any sort of UN-mandated arms embargo, so any country may sell any kind of conventional weaponry to it as they see fit.

Not really true.

b- Iran does need new fighters to raplace venerable F-14, F-4, and F-5s from the seventies, and soon to be obsolete MiG-29s, Su-24s, Su-25 and J-7 aircraft.

Which is why they are developing the new fighter of theirs.

c- Iran has been manaced with bombing and/or invasion by the US and Israel repetedly and publicly

Much better for them to buy SAMs.

d- China is in the middle of attemping to actively assert itself as a global power, from its current regional power status. Selling world classe jet fighters and all it’s drag along products and services is certainly a good way to bring other less developed nations “under Chinas geopolitical wings”.

And China wants to do this just to show its balls to the US? Iran is an important trade partner for China, but so does Israel. In fact, Israel is one of the China’s closest friends in the Middle East. Not to mention all those Sunni Arab states like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc,.

This announcement of this hipotetical Iranian sale has sounded to me as quite possible but rather premature. Normally orders like this are kept in the silent until the last plane is delivered, in order to avoid the exact political turmoil we see before us right now. But, who knows, maybe the mandarins at the Chinese Comunist Party don’t really care about what the western media thinks of its defense deals… Let’s just wait until the 2008 Beijing Olimpics blows over…:diablo:

Comments?

Regards,

Hammer

The PLAAF has not cleared the J-10 for export, and it still hangs in the balance even for sales to countries like Pakistan. You fail to consider that China does not sell its latest toys for fear of compromising intel. By the time you see J-10s in Iran, J-14s would be filling PLAAF air bases.

Let’s get this thread back on topic — anyone know th tail number of srial number of the F-15K that crashed?

How many actually crashed by the way and when? Was it one or two?

Patent Rubbish !!. Textiles is chinas trump card?? Phah emerging superpower :rolleyes: . Textiles also come in abundance from India, pakistan and bangladesh. To think that US would let korea be attacked for Tommy Hilfiger, you must be high on “high quality” chinese stuff.

No, hundreds of billions worth of US Treasury bonds are China’s trump cards. You have no idea that the US dollar value is now controlled by China’s central bank.

If they buy the J-10s in a time frame of 3-5 years it proves the gossips right it already will prove they were talking and the denials were false

And where does the article say about 3 to 5 years time line? Eh? You’re full of BS, just like the articles you post. As a matter of fact, the record of Russian media has not been very good for years, given how many misses… They’re not generally interested in the actual truth (e.g. MiG-29 shooting down that F-117, even though the Serbians had officially credited a SAM battery for that.)

Wasn’t it not too long ago they were reporting Iran purchases of Su-30s? Iran purchases of MiG-29s? Updates on Iran MiG-29s? Iran SAM purchases of things like S-300s?

I am not twisting any fact, wait a few years, if they do not sell them and keep their word as they say now, you won`t see J-10s in Iranian colors in the next 3-5 years but now it is early too early to say, probably and i say 98% of the odds are against the sale of J-10s to Iran, true now Novosti most likely might be wrong, but see time will tell, denials are just words facts are proven with actions and for that we need to wait.

Its still utter BS because you’re trying to make it appear its speculation or projection by giving it a time frame. You should be frank to write and explain clearly that what you’re saying is projection or speculation.

That still does not make it a fact. You are reporting as if a deal has already been made, not because that a deal can be made in the future. Truth is not retroactive. If a real deal happened in 2013, that does not make the report of a deal that you claimed to happen in 2007 to be true.

That’s wishful thinking, that’s spinning and that’s bending the truth.

You really have no standards in dealing and management of information.

You have no idea about international transactions do you? When you have an arms deal between two countries, you cannot deny it because that is observable. Did the Chinese government ever denied they sold patrol boats to Iran? No. Did Iran tried to hide it? No. Armstrade is very visible and there is accounting on both parties. If there is actually something there it would show. You think 24 J-10s can be hidden completely from intel if they were actually sold? Why would you deny something that will only mean you are going to be shown wrong later, huh?

The fact remains that such deals and transactions are verifiable in multiple ways including formal channels and intelligence, and Novosti reported based on a rumor. This is just part of a long series of slabs that show media incompetence.

Russian government is also not considered reliable in the West, especially after that spy related poisoning. As for Olympic boycotts, so what, same thing happened in Moscow and in Los Angeles.

Novosti and Kommersant have the responsibility as printed media to CHECK the facts before they print.

Obviously, they don’t have such a policy.

Remember that when discussing news from these sources.

Credibility is something you earn on record and lose on record as well.