Re 32
cloud9
Just as soon as I’ve got hold of a ‘Bill Sykes’ burglar outfit – mask and bag marked ‘Swag’, would you mind if I pop around to rob you ? I’m sure I’ll get a welcome, a cup of tea and a sandwich.
Very touching really.
Re 12
Last Lightning
This, from the man who thinks that he is Chuck Yeager !!
Re 166
No. You are overstating the case. See 159. 3rd para. We don’t see a lot of our Council workers thru’ the winter. We don’t see a lot of them in the summer. So, the litter and general detritus gathers. I see this almost where ever I travel. My son lives in Berkshire, so I use the A34 for travelling. Parts of it look like some back alley in Bombay – I know because I’ve been there.
The idea of linking work of a civic or social nature to benefit pay is always supplementary to those in paid employment of a similar nature. There is – from just my personal observations – more than enough rubbish to be picked up and graffitti to be removed, park benches to be cleaned, sanded and restored fit for purpose, roadside gutters to be cleaned, weeds to be eliminated, young trees to be planted, ivy to be removed from trees in public places – the list goes on.
Although it probably happens, I’ve never yet seen and, I doubt that you have, a Council worker diligently working to achieve the most in the shortest possible time. They always seem to be on a ‘go slow’. Hence there is always work to be done.
There is nothing at all wrong with the concept of work for benefits. It isn’t meant to be a major contribution to the economy. It isn’t meant to and neither will it strip workers of their properly paid employment. We should all be supporting the idea and not finding stupid excuses to duck the responsibility.
Something has to be done and I do not see anything else suggested.
Re 164
I loathe most aspects of life that are ‘compulsory’. People, should be left to their own devices provided that it causes no offence or harm to others.
But, a majority of people, it seems to me – including me – are naturally indolent. Wr follow the line of least resistance. Doing nothing is very often to be preferred to doing something. ‘Doing something’ requires an expenditure of energy which many of us find inconvenient.
My insistence that work of civic value be made compulsory and tied to the payment of benefits is made in recognition of the natural indolence of people. If it isn’t compulsory then it simply won’t get done.
Even though the costs of administration of this idea might add to the taxpayer burden it will yield dividends in the gaining of self respect and self worth for the benefit recipients. A further gain might be that they will, eventually, be persuaded of the value of a higher level of paid employment in place of a life of criminality. Thus, making life for all of us, that much better.
Trumper,
I will, many thanks for that. I’ll let you know what I dig up.
All information gratefully received.
As I type, I’m receiving baleful glares from a Pentax Optio 30 which purpose is, nominally at least, that of a camera but, which I think is possessed. Possessed as in the Exorcist. It doesn’t like me. It’s a tiny thing which doubles in size in my pocket because of the need to take the instruction book every where I go.
I know for a fact – I’m not in the least paranoid, that Pentax have equipped it with a brain designed to stretch and test the analytical abilities of perhaps not every user but, me in particular.
As soon as I can find a machine that removes the ‘pain from the frame’ it is booked in for re-cycling.
In PC terms I’m working the boiler of a steam locomotive. All, seems well.
Re 55
Cloud 9 (How I love that pen name!)
….”punishment should be proportionate and administered by the relevant authorities…”
That is the exact point that many here are making. The ‘relevant authorities’ cannot be relied upon to administer proportionate punishment.
Punishment, to be effective, has to discourage further criminality. The more so in the case of ‘career’ criminals. Fines, ASBOS, community service are used over and over again purely to restrict prison population growth and by the frequency of their use are thus brought into contempt.
Few who appear in court fear the consequences. We’ve gone from the awful times when a child could be strung up or transported for stealing a loaf of bread to the criminal justice system we now have where the punishment never fits the crime – in any sense. Unless of course, the ‘crime’ is an offence against the State – then, it seems to be a different matter requiring lengthy investigation and ultimately, condign punishment.
Cloud 9, people like you, holding those opinions, are central to the problem of rising levels of criminality. Those among us who are criminally minded rely upon the existence of people like you to continually bale them out on the back of every soft option and excuse that liberal opinion can produce. Liberal opinion NEVER runs out of excuses.
Your clear duty as a citizen is to try to influence your fellows with an understanding of moral responsibility and an awareness of conscience coupled to a clear concern for the welfare and consideration of others.
When proper outrage is expressed in these columns it does you no credit to strike a pose of concern for the perpetrator. We are all perfectly entitled to protect ourselves against any assault upon our life, limb or property.
We cannot completely rely on the police. Sometimes they arrive on the scene, sometimes they don’t. What shall we do while we’re waiting and being plundered? Make the bandit/s a cup of tea?
Let me ask you a question: You are with your wife/girl friend or just a female friend. You become the victims of an assault with the female threatened with rape. What do you do? Wring your hands and say a prayer? Offer would-be rapists tea and toast? Call NHS Direct/RSPCA/RNLI or grab a weapon and get stuck in?
No wonder they’re recruiting women to the Armed Forces.
Re 71
I stand in imminent danger of agreeing with you. Your 3rd para. is about instant assessment and instant re-action. It is the ‘instant’ bit that matters.
Cloud 9
There must be sufficent numbers of people who think like you to enable career criminals to make a good living.
You seem to be a decent person but, weak and naive and lacking an understanding of human behaviour.
Re 189
MattCooke
In my case, quote whatever you like.
Re 18
Trumper
Don’t steal my thunder! I wanted to write that !
Re 16
But then, later generations might try to find it and record the results on a Forum. Given the pre-occupation with infantile celebrity that could run till the end of time.
Yes, you are right. He seems to be a thoroughly good bloke.
RpR
Is this the same zero tolerance Sheriff – or more properly – Shire Reeve, that was responsible for the pink garbed chain gangs in America ? I quite liked that idea.