Thanks Grey Area – Now that has come as a bit of a shock. I suppose I shouldn’t be so cynical. I am taking my camera but I will be there the whole day so I can stoat about to see where to take pictures, but the viewing gallery looks OK to rest and have some refreshments while still keeping an eye on proceedings.:D
Ar you certain? With the expiration of CC the photograph is no longer copyrighted. This effectively means it enters the public domain (although it is by no means self-evident interpretation). It’s true that the expiration of copyright does not mean that the author’s intellectual rights, such as having his/her name credited with the photo, no longer apply. However, maybe it’s the original author of the photo that should be credited and not the CC.
/Martin W
The Spitfire Site
I was given this information directly from the horses mouth so to speak. To be honest, all I wanted was a ‘Yes you have our permission to use it.’ Beyond that I really did not care. Provided I had something in writing I did not delve too deeply. In fact the more I looked into it, the more complex it became.
Copyright does seem to be a grey area.
Where, for example, does the Brooklands Museum stand with copyright on the AJ Jackson collection. I assume that some of those photos were taken over 50 years ago but as far as I am aware the copyright was owned by the Jackson family and presumerably passed to the Brooklands Museum along with all the original negatives.
If copyright expires after 50 years then it appears anyone who acquires copies of photos from the AJ Jackson collection (from whatever source) can use them at will provided they can establish that the original picture was taken over 50 years ago.
If the aircraft pictured was scrapped / written off over 50 years ago then proving the age of the original photo would be easy.
Is this interpretation correct? If so it seems unfair on both the Jackson family and the Brooklands Museum who have, over the years, borne the cost of maintaining and storing a significant photgraphic collection.
The AJ Jackson collection website is run by David Jackson on behalf of Brooklands. The pictures are obtainable from David but the reproduction and copyright fees are negotiatated directly with Brooklands (Julian Temple).
It is a superb collection and I used a few in my book.
Fantastic shots. My daughter has just got back from LA and she took a few for me on her mobile phone but not quite up to this standard 😀
Some very interesting points made on this thread. It would have made my life a bit easier if I had known some of this a few years ago. The other issue along with copyright is cost (as mentioned by JDK). Some people/organisations were more than happy to let me use their photographs free of charge. Others quoted costs and agreements for use that would have put Shylock to shame. In fact, some of the prices I was quoted by a couple of organisations were nothing more than sheer greed and in no way reflected the value of the pictures themselves.
It may be worth double checking on Crown Copyright. I had a photograph stamped ‘Crown Copyright’ on the back which was a Luftwaffe Target photograph of RAF Turnhouse from early on in the war which I used in my book on the History of Edinburgh Airport. I was told that any Crown Copyright photo did not require permission to be used if it was older than fifty years BUT I had to acknowledge that it was Crown copyright in the book. Any photograph which is Crown Copyright less than fifty years old required specific permission for it to be used. I don’t know if this has changed from 2006.
The Luftwaffe photograph bothered me as it was obviously taken by a Luftwaffe aircraft so I contacted the German Embassy who out me in touch with the responsible department in Germany and the lady there informed me in no uncertain terms that the picture was taken by a serving member of the Luftwaffe in a Luftwaffe aircraft using Luftwaffe equipment and that it was nothing to do with Crown Copyright. All Luftwaffe copyright become the property of the West German Government (I don’t know about the East) after the war and then the property of the German government after reunification. She ended her e mail by saying ‘I give you permission to use it’.
Seems a good point to upload a copy of my Junior Jet Club Log Book (sadly water damaged). Its a pity the airlines still don’t do something like to encourage youngsters to take an interest in aviation. BOAC gave out certificates when you had done 25,000/50,000/75,000 and 100,000 miles
Si- Thanks for taking the trouble to post the pictures -very interesting. I only ever flew on one Britannia – on BOAC from Kano, Nigeria to Heathrow (Via Barcelona) on 28/8/58 and again oddly enough on the same aircraft (G-ANBH) going out from Heathrow to Kano on 6/8/62.
Lovely plane. Marketed by Gulf Air as the ‘Five Star Tristar’
I flew
A40-TX – LHR-Paris-Bahrain- Abu Dhabi
A40-TW – Bahrain-Abu Dhabi
A40-TX – LHR-Paris-Doha- Abu Dhabi
All in the late seventies. I sometimes flew on the BA Tristars on the LHR-AUH route at the time as well.
Good shots and nice to see some pics from an different airport to the usual.
Heads ups Guys
He’s due into Brize Norton this weekend……Sun 28th October @ 1115UTC out on Monday @ 0400UTC
A225HVY
Is it still set for 11.15 arrival? Which end of the runway is normally in use? The only fly in the ointment is the forecast is heavy rain tomorrow.
OG
Good report. The clouds in the first pic almost look like arctic ice.
I may be wrong, but I think this taxiway used to lead to the Hong Kong Aero Club and was built for the likes of single engine light aircraft like the Cessna 150 rather than anything as large as this.
Seriously though, to pull out of a route after 50 years says something about the state BA these days. I wonder how much of the stated reasons are ‘smoke and mirrors’ aimed at masking current difficulties within BA’s business ?
I think it says more about the state of Detroit. I was looking at a thread on a US website entitled “will the last person out of Detroit please turn out the lights” it directed me to a section entitled Detroit Ruins on Detroityes.com and it showed building after building in a state of ruin – hotels, automotive works (Chrysler/Ford/Studebaker), the YWCA building etc. Other than New Orleans (Which is slowly rebuilding), Detroit is the only major US city to have a declining population. I think BA made their money on this route from premium business passengers connected with the automotive industry which has all but collapsed. I suppose all these places can be regenerated with cash.
Many Thanks Lukeylad, you have put our minds at rest. Someone had told my partner that the info had to be given at least 48 hours beforehand or you would not be allowed to travel.:eek: