For the record… I challenged since I assumed that LFC24 was suggesting something that – for his 16 years of experience – seemed less than likely. Yet his answers suggested that he was slightly more familiar than I, so I just acknowledged his response.
I was also unsure of him saying that he had done Hajj (or Hadj according to my dictionary) in a different way, since a quick search on Google shows that all pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia is Hajj to Mecca – and the knowledge that, apparently, westerners are not at all welcome was the cause of my wavering emotions – so was left open to interpretation any way you want.Flood
I think this has had a good airing now but to clear up any up any misunderstanding on “Westerners not at all welcome in Mecca” etc Anyone is welcome in Mecca of any race or colour (westerners included) provided they are Muslims. There are check points as you go into Mecca and anyone who is not a muslim is turned away (this can be seen from your visa or internal passport which is an offence not to have with you at all times). The road around Mecca is nicknamed the “Christian Bypass”. It is correct that any Muslim making a trip to Mecca for the purpose of Pilgrimage constitutes Haj (The spelling is virtually irrelevant just as it would be trying to convert English words into Arabic script) and there is a set period for this. Anyone making the same pilgrimage outside the set period is performing “Umrah” and still constitutes having undertaken the Haj which LFC24 has performed and fair play to him for having done it at such a young age.
I would like to comment on the last exchanges between LFC24 and FLOOD and put my tuppence worth in. I thought FLOODS questions were quite astute. LFC24 gives the impression he knows all about Arabs/muslims and has been on the Haj “in another way” which is quite impressive considering he is 16 years old and still at school and only appears to mention Dubai. I don’t claim to know everything about Muslim society but I grew up in the Muslim North in Nigeria and have worked in Abu Dhabi, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Dubai and latterly five years in Saudi. In all I reckon I have spent 44 of my 52 years living in Muslim society (3 of those years were spent working at the original AUH airport in passenger services) plus I have a degree in Arabic and I can safely say that I have never ONCE heard any Muslim shouting Allah Akbar in the circumstances described here. But then I do not wish to be unkind to LFC24 maybe he has packed a lot more into his 16 years than I have in 52.
I would like to comment on the last exchanges between LFC24 and FLOOD and put my tuppence worth in. I thought FLOODS questions were quite astute. LFC24 gives the impression he knows all about Arabs/muslims and has been on the Haj “in another way” which is quite impressive considering he is 16 years old and still at school and only appears to mention Dubai. I don’t claim to know everything about Muslim society but I grew up in the Muslim North in Nigeria and have worked in Abu Dhabi, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Dubai and latterly five years in Saudi. In all I reckon I have spent 44 of my 52 years living in Muslim society (3 of those years were spent working at the original AUH airport in passenger services) plus I have a degree in Arabic and I can safely say that I have never ONCE heard any Muslim shouting Allah Akbar in the circumstances described here. But then I do not wish to be unkind to LFC24 maybe he has packed a lot more into his 16 years than I have in 52.
Nice Pics – I wonder what the Anotov was doing there. Is it a regular visitor?
Wow that is a low load of pax. Are there still any direct flights from the UK to Saudi?
I think BA are still flying to Dhahran although I am not sure. The low passenger numbers are reflected in the number of British passport holders in Saudi Arabia. There were 30,000 when I arrived in June 1998 and now I believe there are less than 4,500 and most of those work on secure sites for Bae and Aramco.
Absolutely superb shots – keep them coming.
BA 777?
Yes, it was a 777 which was a great aircraft. I remember flying back once and they used a B767 which cheesed me off as it did not have the video screens in the back of the seats. As LFC24 said BA have now discontinued the service not just due to the terrorist threat but also due to falling passenger numbers. I flew back just before the start of the Iraq war on a 777 and there was a total of 17 passengers including myself.
Yes they are excellent photos. The museum is run by retired BOAC/BEA/BA volunteers and were very helpful to me when I was looking up some stuff on Turnhouse. One of the blokes there was with British South American Airways and was at Heathrow when the first scheduled flight took off to South America in 1946, there can’t be too many people around who can say that!
Better bet get hold of an old copy of Midland Counties Complete CAA reg guide – c.1990 – if your into historic aviation it should cover the period you want – mine cost me a fiver
Thanks – I am saving my pennies up for R.I.A.T. as I never come away without an armful of books and mags. Hopefully I sjhould get one there.
Definitely a good pint at The Royal Oak. Is it still a free house?
Hi wysiwyg, To be honest I can’t remember as I have not been down for a bit but I used to go fairly regularly a while back and I found buying the non -aviation members of your family a nice meal in the pub meant you could look around the airfield without feeling guilty.
Definitely a good pint at The Royal Oak. Is it still a free house?
Hi wysiwyg, To be honest I can’t remember as I have not been down for a bit but I used to go fairly regularly a while back and I found buying the non -aviation members of your family a nice meal in the pub meant you could look around the airfield without feeling guilty.
I have always found Lasham to be a very friendly place compared to other airfields. I can also recommend the Royal Oak pub in Lasham village for good grub and a decent pint 😀
I have always found Lasham to be a very friendly place compared to other airfields. I can also recommend the Royal Oak pub in Lasham village for good grub and a decent pint 😀
Try the CAA’s G-INFO page on their website:
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?categoryid=60&pagetype=65&applicationid=1
Have fun,
A
Many Thanks Airbedane.
I was in two minds whether to go that day but I wished I had. I read a report on it in an aviation mag and it sounded like a good day. 🙁