Actually you said “nasty fuel ” which is wrong on all counts, as there is no methanol on Harrier and its not a fuel as the water does not combust. But there again you got the wrong aircraft type anyway………Still don’t even think about an apology?
In a water methanol system, the methanol has a secondary aspect as to its use, by raising the Turbine Inlet Temperature to its efficiency point (it combusts, and therefore could be classed as a fuel, hence my post), offsetting the effect of the water lowering the temperature. The Water/ Methanol injection system is not in use on the Harrier, as stated elsewhere due to the reservoir being close to the hot section of the exhaust, thus negating the Methanol’s primary task as an anti-freeze. The Harrier’s system compensates by adding more fuel, thus raising TIT to its efficiency level with an increased mass flow of air.
I am unsure of where your second paragraph fits in to the conversation.
If you must miss-quote me, at least make it funny or engaging. As I said, it was posted on a bad day and I was thinking of something different anyway – something I have already apologised for.
Hardly seems pedant-ish for someone to question your implying that water-injection systems utilize some powerful fuel…even if they weren’t aware that you were actually confusing water injection with a system that is used to run an emergency power unit.
I didn’t say powerful, I said ‘nasty’. Have a swig of methanol with your water….. :diablo:
One from me (seen in another thread…. but this is a better home for it)
Oil on board, 3ft x 1ft
Hendon? I think that’s about a gazillion miles from here… I’m Oop Norf… and locked in a dark hangar until christmas.
Its particularly nasty. I saw the F731 label on a Pegasus which said ‘Do not Swallow’ and ‘not for internal application’……….
sense of humour is struggling today. Apologies. 🙁
Vega, I know how an injection system works thank you particularly those with additional substances such as methanol…
Turns out I was thinking of Hydrazine in an F16 anyway. Long day.
I’m starting to get bl**dy annoyed with all of the pedants on here lately.
BAe I think.
general list including Lightning. Plus Harrier does have thrust augmentation in relation to a particularly complex water injection system …. which I believe involves the use of a nasty fuel
yep, again.
Safety record
System complexity
System redundancy
Design authority support
Engine support
Civilian use of re-heat thrust augmentation
Lack of current air crew / serviceable spares / ground support
feel free to add to / delete from this list
There’s no evidence that Ohain was aware of Whittle in the early 1930s at all.
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other than the alleged statement of (in German) “I read Frank Whittle’s paper”. It was widely circulated in Germany and the rest of Europe, and ignored utterly only in Britain. Whittle patent in 1930, v.Ohain patent in 1935
Back to the thread – the 234 is a bomber, is German, was not heavily publicised at the time, and has not survived the test of time, bar a single example hidden away in the worlds greatest aircraft collection.
“hey son, here’s the Ar23…..”
“Sod it – there’s the Wrights actual flier….and a B29 on yellow stilts…..”
get in touch with Simon Glancey – the best at this sort of thing. http://www.wwrgallery.co.uk/index.aspx
Yeah- the forum virtual art gallery on here – there are several artists of varying quality who could probably do you an original piece for £50 to £100.
FOR EXAMPLE (although its a Shackleton, and not for sale,) I could do you an oil on canvass or board 3ft x 1ft for £75 + postage
I’m sure a couple of new-build learjet-engined Ar 234’s would be rather nice to go along with the Me 262s…..
Von Ohain read Whittle’s paper on jet propulsion and developed his axial flow jet from that with flight comfort as a primary factor.
Whittle patented the use of a jet engine for aircraft, but could not get the financial backing.
Whittle designed it, the Germans developed it.
Please notice the sarcastic smiley. I’ll leave you all to it. You deserve each other.