I think he means that the resounding note throughout the majority of problems is that Hydraulics and movement are involved, and therefore are more complex and prone to failure than their fixed counterparts. I would direct him to the mental complexity of even the most simple fly-by-wire system where there are usually three main systems, each with three backups on the primary controls (only two on the rudder) and COUNTLESS things to go wrong.
Now, imagine what happens when a stray .50 cal round goes into the avionics bay….
Tornado: Pilots record a slight bump in the flight and continue on their mission.
french-thing: Avionics shut down, aircraft crashes.
Now analyse what happened – for the mirage / Rafale, the flight profile allowed a stry round to penetrate vital systems and cause loss of control.
– for the Tonka – no damage, except to the sniper who was hit by the aircraft as it passed overhead in its usual mission profile flight path.. ie. 0 ft.
gags aside, Eagle, you’re right except its not the number of personnel needed to look after the aeroplane its the number of personnel the respective armed force SAYS need to look after the aircraft. The French AF tended to ue multi-skilled engineers long before the RAF cottoned on to the idea. Us Civvis have been doing it for years…. 2 guys to look after an entire airliner.
Having spent time maintaining Tornados (whats your area of mechanical knowledge?….. research, perchance?), the faults you listed are the things which generally don’t go wrong.
The sweep wings………… non complex – the bolts are as big as your hand and don’t fail (HYDRAULIC)
The wing pylons………….. never heard of one failing, as it is a purely mechanical rotation system
the refueling prob (e) …… the same idea as the Mirage and (I assume) Rafale – some do fail, but I’ll comment more in a minute (HYDRAULIC)
the 2 radars ……….. 2? I’m an F3 man, and I will concede this point.
the 2 engine reversers ……… (rare mechanical failure) (HYDRAULIC)
the air intakes……… never fail unless you mean the ramps (HYDRAULIC)
the airbrakes……… (HYDRAULIC)
2 guns…….. and your point is that guns jam?…. yeah and bombs hang on their rails. No points.
Most of the issues are Hydraulic – any hydraulic system can and will fail at regular intervals. Torndo has 2 independant systems AND mechanical reversion on the primary flight controls. A complex, but SAfe AIRCRAFT WITH HUGE SURVIVABILITY and built in redundancy.
Now, the opposition…..
Mirage….. Bad points: 1. Its French. 2: Its electric, so when you loose power, it crashes. I don’t believe that Rafale has manaual reversion either, but I stand to be corrected. It should have 2 hyd systems also, but will be prone to the same failures as the Tonka, less the wing sweep.
Look at the original intended roles… The French pair were intended to be air supriority fighters with the capability to drop bombs. The Tonka was designed to drop bombs… end of!
Unfair comparison says I, and a flawed arguement when talking about mechanical failure.
I’m lucky in that my office has views of the runway fom almost its full length. (southside of the airport – opposite side to the the terminal) but we can’t open the windows because its a security risk… we’re straight onto air-side!
G-JPAL…. Jonathan Palmer
Geordie (again)
Aah wiz ganin doon tha bank on me bogie, aah dunched inte a waal an waz hoiked awa a hedge… aah waz knacked
I was travelling down a hill on my home-made go-cart, when I hit a wall and was thrown over some hedging…. I was hurt really badly.
Geordie (again)
Aah wiz ganin doon tha bank on me bogie, aah dunched inte a waal an waz hoiked awa a hedge… aah waz knacked
I was travelling down a hill on my home-made go-cart, when I hit a wall and was thrown over some hedging…. I was hurt really badly.
maybe he was simply flying low (to avoid detection by the awacs perhaps) which would result in very short delay before being hit and crashing, forcing the pilot into a low alt ejection
I counted approximately 10 seconds between hit and impact, also given the news footage from various angles, I’d estimate a height of at least 1500ft…
I guess the only person who could have given an answer, will be unable to …..
it was a Libyan aircraft that was shot down
I wonder why it took him so long to eject….. 🙁
It was a good show, but for the purposes of entertainment, it gave the impression that Mr. Blair had never so much as seen his purchase before it was shipped… it also gave the impression that it was th first spitfire to be in that hangar… who spotted the red and silver Spit well hidden at the back of the hangar?
Excellent programme, but laughable commentary as always. (Those animations were hilarious…)
Its the chronological progression that is missing in the syllabus as directed by the government! (plus you mentioned ‘dates’ there….)
Anyway, I think we’re all saying that history isn’t allowed to be taught properly….
Its the chronological progression that is missing in the syllabus as directed by the government! (plus you mentioned ‘dates’ there….)
Anyway, I think we’re all saying that history isn’t allowed to be taught properly….
It shouldn’t need to be because I don’t think that dates are actually that important to history. Once you get back more than one-hundred years the actual dates are pretty irrelevant unless you’re doing some particular research; so long as you get the basic facts right and everything in roughly the right order history is just storytelling surely? Make the story interesting enough and you’ve got them, whatever their age.
Its not the dates, but the chronological order that’s missing. One day they are learning about how those nasty Jarmans invaded Poland, and the next they’re wondering how a race of people went from flying fighter planes to writing on papyrus and building pyramids… No context = no story
It shouldn’t need to be because I don’t think that dates are actually that important to history. Once you get back more than one-hundred years the actual dates are pretty irrelevant unless you’re doing some particular research; so long as you get the basic facts right and everything in roughly the right order history is just storytelling surely? Make the story interesting enough and you’ve got them, whatever their age.
Its not the dates, but the chronological order that’s missing. One day they are learning about how those nasty Jarmans invaded Poland, and the next they’re wondering how a race of people went from flying fighter planes to writing on papyrus and building pyramids… No context = no story
i r literate……….
Its gone. Stop bickering.