Yes Simon… I re-did it almost 6 years ago…. 😀
Thats not Canada…. I was involved in the major of PA474 at Coventry a few years back. Most of the technical pics used in the forum thread were mine…
Try this
I don’t know the frame numbers, so bare with my descriptions. In my 2nd photo, it appears that the longeron in question is slightly angled up starting a the transport joint, but there is a kink starting between the first and second frames fwd of the transport joint which incrases its angle significantly (+3 or 4 degrees). The kink in the longeron would not be at the frame joint from a structural ridgidity point of view, hence it appears to be some 3 inches aft of the 2nd frame.
I have a headache now…..:rolleyes:
Actualy, it looks as if there are two kinks -each located at the frame joints in this pic….. deduced by the highly technical approach of holding a rule agianst the rivet lines on the screen……
Modification or repair patch. As previously said, that canopy is heavy and likely to induce stress cracks in the skin at that location. The french T33s were high houred so you’d expect various doublers to be fitted as they got older.
Its faded a bit since I last polished it and re-marked all of the lettering……
Perhaps a better view would help. I’m assuming you’re talking about the longeron which forms the bottom of the turret and runs to the nose transport joint.
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Tony, it would be worthwhile checking with the DH Museum or perhaps one of the DH affectionados (Bruce?). That’s a pic of a restored example -they could be wrong!
Comparison with PA474.
Weather cover would be the obvious choice.. a sensible guess… but is there anyone with the proof? (AMM/AP excerpt or first hand use)
What are the row of protrusions running along the lower edges of the canopy? PA474 doesn’t have them….
We’ll try (Newcastle Aviation Academy… although June is busy. (Chipmunk T-10)
Why don’t you donate them to a suitable museum?
I dont know obviously someone who cant count.There ius one Near RAF Leeming we have got one and a half near Ripon so with that one there is three in the space of 40 miles I dead to think how many there are in th eMidlands.Air Atlantique has got how many is it two or three ?.Then there ar eso many in the south of England you could fill a Tesco’s carpark to overflowing and that does not include any of the other flying ones or the ones that Source had that someone was recently trying to flog off.(plus of course two in Malta plus a Venom).
NEAM have a complete T11, not 20 minutes from Shaft’s front door. His airworthy JP is more newsworthy. They didn’t pick up on my BAC 1-11 casually abandoned in a car park for a whole weekend when it was delivered…. 😀
It appears (to me: the casual / trainee pilot) that the aircraft suffered an uncommanded yaw to the right which resulted in the spiral dive into the trees. Touchy subject, this one…. RIP
Just found this after 10 seconds of googling:
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 25894.
Accident occurred Friday, August 10, 1984 in TABERNASH, CO
Probable Cause Approval Date: 12/14/1992
Aircraft: CESSNA L-19E, registration: N4584A
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
THE AIRPLANE DEPARTED GRANDBY 8/10/84 AND FAILED TO ARRIVE AT ITS DESTINATION. ON 8/23/87, IT WAS FOUND ON THE SLOPE OF A HIGH TREE-COVERED RIDGE. VIDEO TAPE RECOVERED FROM THE WRECKAGE PROVIDED A VISUAL AND AUDIO RECORD OF THE FLIGHT FROM TAKEOFF TO IMPACT. COMPARING THE RECORDING TO A TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP, THE FLIGHT WAS CLIMBING AND ITS ALTITUDE ABOVE THE GROUND WAS DECREASING WHEN IT CRASHED AT THE 10,200-FT LEVEL. DURING THE LAST FEW SECONDS OF THE TAPE, THE TERRAIN DOMINATED THE VIEW THROUGH THE COCKPIT WINDOW. THE PILOT MADE A 60-DEG BANK, AND THE STALL WARNING HORN COULD BE HEARD 3 TIMES DURING APRX 180 DEG OF TURN. THE AIRPLANE SUBSEQUENTLY STALLED, FLIPPED OVER, AND ENTERED THE TREES. THE DENSITY ALTITUDE WAS ABOUT 13,000 FT.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
IN-FLIGHT PLANNING/DECISION..IMPROPER..PILOT IN COMMAND
AIRSPEED..NOT MAINTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND