Yeah but is the R-77M/ER funded? I heard its RnD was shelved in 1999!!! While if the EF can maneuver effectively at supersonic speeds – it surely will have the advantage from an NEZ aspect!
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Ok it seems your opinions are set in stone. Lets believe what we both wan’t to believe then?
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17.5 tons? not gonna happen. look at performance figures. It simply cannot supercruise from 5km to 11km height as tested by Sukhoi.

45,000 feet & Mach 1.6 to Mach 1.8 is nothing special. What is important how long can stay there on those speeds. with its tiny fuel capacity and limited range radar. What is the range enevlope?. Su-35 has massive internal fuel capacity with long range radar suitable for seeing much further which is strategic advantage @those altitudes & would have no problem in staying & surpassing those speeds for far longer than EF. But it cannot still match the high altitude and high speed performance of MIG-31. that thing with recent upgrades is in different league.

Mate – you mostly misunderstand whats being said.

Weight will have very very little effect at all in straight and level SC buddy :). If enough lift is generated that is. So thats not a logical response at all.

Your second paragraph – shows a misunderstanding of things mate. We are talking about supersonic acc/agility. So it doesn’t need to maintain those speeds for ages. But it sure can maintain them in a turn better – especially against a Mig-31! Look at Toans figures for basic range. I
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Flex the idea is simple. The EF is designed to “crank” or turn rapidly at supersonic speeds – without losing as much airspeed as a legacy jet. This means – it can effectively escape the BVR zone faster than – Su-XXs – which assuming relatively equal missile ranges – shrinks the oppositions NEZ – meaning the EF can get off the first shot – and kill the jet – while having a higher survival rate – as it still has the nominal NEZ – but the oppositions has been dropped.
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Sorry – star49 – your rebuts are going off on tangents now mate. Theta seems pretty far off the mark too. 🙂

Scorps has it pretty much correct. I can’t see it being any lighter than 17.5 tons. That error on thrust in the brochure is wierd. Russian claims have proven to far off the mark – to often – in the past; thats not to say US/EU ones haven’t – because they definitely have. Still looks a fantastic prospect – from a cost:benefit ratio – the 35 looks pretty outstanding!

Flex – LPI – has a lot of relavence in my opinion.

That is possible but exactly what sense does it make to design a fighter enjoying advantage in areas of the flight envelope where almost no actual aerial combat takes place (or ever took place)? What fraction of its service life will an EF spend soaring at M1.5-1.6? 2% or less?

Why design for super-manuervability in the slow/low envelope – where ASRAAM is simply better – while EF is smaller.

The EF has a design philosophy that is yet to be operationally tested – but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong – why stay with the old legacy fighter type? No matter the time spent during those conditions – the EF from its supersonic performance gets a big boost – BVR wise. Why because – it gets there very quickly – maintains the speed – and maneuvers effectively enough to shatter relative NEZs.
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Especially if you take into account what happened to the F-117 that got inbetween Michael Showers and the Mig-29 over Serbia.
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Not every BM is an ICMB – many will be interceptable by not just GBI/ABL/KEI but THAAD/AEGIS/PAC-3 – The ABM shield shouldn’t be confused with a system that will be a deterent against Russia – as Sferrin says – but it surely has application against a nation with capable TBM threat does it not?
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