Isnt that gonna increase your overall emmisions though, broadcasting in effect where you are by using a radar or is it like an LPI type radar beam that can’t very well be picked up?

It could be LPI or not, dependant completely on the radar or forward looking ground proximatey warning system.
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Depending on the grade of steel, it can be stronger in many characteristics than titanium – at the expense of weight. Certain steels have a higher Young’s Modulus than titanium. Infact they offer higher E/mass aswell. Titanium has other advantages though.
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Bristol is a wonderful place. Is the top of Whiteladies Road still so vibey, or has the waterfront picked up a little? I’m not sure where your old home town is, but I’m currently about 10 000km away from Bristol at the moment.

The waterfront has picked up quite a bit, especially with the local population. There are some good bars and clubs in the area. The top of whiteladies is basically a student highway down to the university. But the most vibey stretch is between the clifton downs sainsburys and the bottom of park street. My old home town is about 10 000 km from bristol too. 10 minutes walk from a place called kentron. Denel aviation etc.
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I see you’re studying in my old home town …… how is Bristol these days? Has it stopped raining yet?

Not too sure which other roles the Tornado was designed for apart from low level attack/maritime strike?:confused:

I’m aware of the SEAD and recce versions, but those came later, and you could argue that the Bucc could fulfill these roles just as well apart from top end speed utilised briefly or not at all.

I know that during the gulf war, when required to fulfill medium level missions, the Tornado was distinctly underpowered. Note that I’m excluding the Tornado fighter operated by the RAF as this was a later requirment that had a redesigned forward fuselage and slightly different model engines.

Bristol is really wonderful, its great fun as a university town. The weather has been suprisingly good over the past few days, not helping in terms of revision for my fluids and thermodynamics exam on thursday next week though. From some of your other posts I assume you live pretty close to my old hometown.

The Tornado was designed in a time when multi-capability in a single airframe was much more desirable. This entailed a supersonic aircraft, with capacity for future growth. While low level strike at its inception was its main priority, Id be very surprised if the engineers intended to limit its capability to soley this role. Otherwise there would be no need for a Mach 2 airframe whatsoever. If the low level mission was all it was intended for they’d have beefed it up completely, given it supersonic performance at low level, and a weapons bay, while forsaking the high end speed.

Instead they gave it Mach 2 capability, at the expense of range and a weapons bay. Allowing it to be more survivable and lethal as a Recce, SEAD and ADV aircraft.
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Comparing the Tornado to a modernised Bucc, in the high speed low-level strike mission (the Bucc’s specialist mission), is hardly what I call fair. One is a jack of all trades and one has its main niche. The Tornado being a jack of all trades is from an engineering point of view, a compromise. It could never incorporate the internal weapons bay that gave the Bucc its “practical” low-level speed advantage or its huge internal fuel capacity and still be effective in its other roles. But being the jack of all trades the Tornado is; means it can do things the Bucc could never do. At the same time as offering a respectable capability in each of its roles.
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Agreed, hence I used the word larger, to explain the performance drop. I was just questioning if it wasn’t also heavier and indeed it was.
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the f-22 doesnt have link 16

It has link 16 recieve capability. It doesnt have send capability, yet, as link 16 is not a LPI datalink. Currently, however the USAF are fixing this issue. One solution is to fly a Gulfstream behind the main fighter force of F-22s, and convert its LPI IFDL into link 16, thus keeping the F-22 stealthy and allowing the rest of the fighting force to utilise data collected by the F-22.

The F-35 will have exactly the same issue and hence it will probably adopt the same solution as the F-22. Both jets are slated to get Link 16 send capability later on however; this being used in non stealthy configurations when VLO/LO is not needed.

http://aimpoints.hq.af.mil/display.cfm?id=25686
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