Well, procurement issue was not “what is the best plane for the navy mission?” but rather “what plane can we get?”.
After that, it is obvious ppl like star49 are too ignorant to understand the basics of procurement.
Definitively the best deal around for a small coastal navy like indons.
Anything else will be rotten metal in 2 years after commisionning.
Too big, not reliable. Not sure for the price though.
Meko is THE solution.
No subs needed there.
The only need for subs would be in a conflict against China, but here, I don’t see what three subs will do…
The Meko design is good, fast, well armed, very reliable, cheap enough and they can do ranges of missions your old frigates can’t (see South Afrika!).
Indons don’t have money, so no need for big ships.
You are the funniest here GoldenShower.
One more useless thread.
PAF! Got it! ROTFLMAO!!!
I am jealous… I didn’t expect that one – LMAO!!!
Well, chinese will say that JF-17 is FAR AWAY the best fighter in the world untel the X-Wing fighter.
It can go Mach-200 and kill anything living at 5000 light-year distance.
All that for 2000 US$ with parts and the full of High-Octane.
F-35 is only the next evolution of the P-51D.
Frankly, no subs are needed by Indons. Nope.
They need fast, cheap and reliable boats.
I would say they to buy 10 or more Meko-200 instead.
Much more useful.
90% of problems of Indons are internal.
Pirates are not only in the straight.
And you forget that the singaporians are patrolling it too. Very active actually.
It is well known that piracy in this part of the world is crewed by poor indos or malays, with fundings coming from huge consortiums ranging from HK to Shanghai.
How many boats were found in Shanghai empty after being reported attacked by pirates and the original crew terminated?
Usely, the hull is having a nice paint job in Dailian (ok, half a joke) then sent to Indon for parts or pirating.
The origional question was which is the best SSK out there. Collins.
if you have experience servicing all the subs around (including the Oyashios) please share.
Otherwise, your comment is just stupid.
Australian navy and the Japanese navy have faced off before over fishing (japanese fishing fleets sometimes are escorted!).
LOL, no, the JMSDF doesn’t escort the fishing boats.
Never did.
While Japan has a great number of mostly old Destoryers that are great targets it only has a few(4) AEGIS style of Kongo class. Australia will have three.
SPY-1 ships:
– DDG173 Kongo
– DDG174 Kirishima
– DDG175 Myoko
– DDG176 Chokai
– DDG177 Atago
– DDG178 Ashigara
– +2 options
The 19DD to come soon also.
The Australian subs are so advanced they are licencing technology to the Americans (noise cancellation, tiles, etc). Mean while the Japanese seem to create indigionous designs from heavily licenced american designs.
So what is the point here?
Until then collins is the best diesel sub out there. More capable than most nuclears but with the benifits of a diesel.
I might agree if someone else said that.
But from you sounds like garbage.
Well, Chicoutimi is banned for sea now, and is going to preserve.
Would have been a good boat though.
Only funny thing is that the first thing canadians did when they got them was to remove the FCs and replace it with the one that was in the old O-class.
KJ, japanese are, culturally, serving their boats with more crew then others.
Doesn’t mean it is a bad thing though, as we can say they are a model for social life.
For T-471, it was a requirement from Ozzie DoD to have a small crew. Mainly because they find it hard to field ppl in.
The last itteration of the Kilo is 2,600ton – not that big.
The older ones are 3,000tons, but they have that double hull that makes them cramped like a type-VII.
Walrus had their share of problems too.
Ozzies are planning to sink the japanese navy??? LOL!
Error: The threat’s name is CHINA.
It is ok, swerve.
He tries to make ppl feel bad, but I guess he is small and bold, full of complex too.
That is a typical psychiatric case. Interresting notheless.
Many ppl are a lot smarter on this forum. Many.
Looks like a Foxbat to me…