Antoine, I don’t think he was expecting a response. Or was it provocation?
Didn’t deserve mine though…
Moray program was terminated without a prototype or an order when RDM bankrupt.
Walrus is a pretty good design, on par with equivalent and contemporan western submarines.
Has its goods and its bads.
I heard that the hull of T-212 has a design-flaw making it kinda noisy (especially in the wrong frequence) at certain speeds. Didn’t see it improved on the improved version yet.
Now they are down to three…
Well, on the defence of the UK:
– the boats were brought to fight the Warsaw Pact. With the fall of the communism, they became useless. So it was easier at that time to discard them or sell them then continue to work with them.
– the canadians (especially intern fights between opposition, mainly PQ and the gov at this time) took 10 years to take the decision.
What MoD was supposed to do then?
That was a tread off of course, and some died of it.
There are two papers/books to read on the subject to know it:
– One is Report of the Standing Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs, which is online to read.
– The second is the book by Julie H. Furgusson “Deeply Canadian, New Submarines for a New Millenium”.
Unfortunately the Canadians have had to take on that task to some extent. Even so, Canada would have been hard pressed to buy new submarines anywhere near as capable for the price they paid for the four Upholders.
That is true, but if the brits had cocooned them correctly (for 10 years!), many missaps would have been avoided.
Now, the Canadians were not ready to pay a lot of money for very good boats. I don’t think the deal was biaised, as they could see them (and they did, go to visit the hull at pier), and they got for what they paid.
Compare to what?
What is the purpose of any asset?
To be compared or to do the mission as best as possible?
Would the Scorp do the job better then a 636 or a 212?
Well, who knows? And who cares?
Because two navies don’t have the same exact use (nor training, nor doctrine) for a similar asset.
Smaller fleet have defeating bigger ones all the time in history.
You need one guy who can do things the others won’t dare to, and do it well, and the troups to follow.
That is not because one army has 201 planes that it will beat the one that has only 200, or even 50!
Remeber that japanese army had a 1 to 5 odd when taking Singapore.
In how many days? And they were bad equipped!
Seems nobody got it.
Will have to keep an eye on this one:
Future eyes at sea
Aerospace International – October 2006 – John BarnesMASC (Maritime Airborne Surveillance Control) will be the new AEW system for the UK’s new future carrier, the CVF. The system will be a key node in the Royal Navy’s ‘system of systems’ network at sea. MASC, which is to provide the CVF with AEW capability and battle management system, will replace the system used in the Sea King AsaC7. The new MASC will be more technologically advanced than the Cerebus system used in the Sea King. The Cerebus features two high resolution touch-sensitive 21in screens that allow accurate and straight-forward use.
Thales UK is prime contractor for a study meant to research the possible changes to the current Sea King Mk.7. The question of which platform will be used for the MASC remains. UAVs such as the Global Hawk, could be a solution. The drones would be able to transmit adequate warning about targets to aircraft such as the JSF. MASC is only at its design and concept stage and platforms are still being evaluated. The problems of design and finance of the CVF have overshadowed the MASC effort. According to Richard Deakin, managing director of Thales UK, « UAVs will certainly assist in the tactical evolution in the maritime environment ». UAVs can fly higher and faster than any helicopter and the cost would be much lower than the cost of buying V-22 Osprey or the Hawkeye. As innovative concepts are still up for grabs, a spokeman for Thales said: « everything on MASC is speculation ».
No, there are informations.
Need to look for it (and not in PakDef LOL!):
The truth is here:
Type 800 was delivered before the first drawings of the 212/214.
If I look at the genealogic tree fo the HDW family, not much links the first to the two others.
Ah yes, the 054 with all systems replaced by russian one (dixit Jane’s)!
You should have made a poll like:
Which is the strongest navy in China’s Territorial Waters:
(o) China’s People Army, Naval Section
Because discussion is useless!
7 and 8 are cancelled or to be, so I heard…
Yes, same budget problem elsewhere, don’t worry.
That is why I worry about the Scorps that will be built in India.
Now, I am not sure UK will go to SSK anymore.
They already said they will reduce their force of SSNs (plus I just read the shrinking numbers of T-45s and other stuff).
SSK would be a return to the past, a downgrading.
And a budget for a mixte fleet is not there.
So you will be stuck with less SSNs, but they will (hopefully) have a better disponibility level then the prev. gen.
If you go nuke, you don’t go back.
Well, mainly depends on the proc-sheet.
After, better check the building standards for each country.
And I don’t value russian’s as very high.