duvecWarbirds
OD,
I agree that the term “Warbird” is seen by some as somewhow not “appropriate” I have not been able to come up with a universal term that is as succinct as Warbirids. It is all encompassing of aircraft used by the military across all areas aircraft operations over all periods.
Having said the above I have to say calling a SPAD. Camel or LVG a Warbird just doesn’t seem right! I don’t know why I hold this view. Maybe First World War aircraft are just so rare and so rarely flown. Shuttleworth and Cole Palen’s collections being the exceptions of course.
Chris
duvecEssendon Memories
Unlike the Canberras the Cat still exists. A wonderful restoration was completed in Brisbane on the former Geoterex Cat VH-EXG. 22 Squadron RAAF did this restoration after completing both the RAAF Boston and the USAAF A20G. Now stored wingless at the RAAF Museum at Pt Cook it looks good! The wings are also restored however space considerations whilst in storage lead to it current status. (Note the typo is the web address!)
http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/raaf2/html/cartalina.htm
I like the “appropriate” engineering used to provide weights for the nose! Maybe not “designer quality” but highly effective!
Chris
duvecWarbird Dealers & Brokers
Hairyplane,
Apart from Courtesy there are a number of others that may have aircraft on their books worthy of attention. Although I have not checked these sites recently they usually have stuff worth dreaming about.
http://www.shermanaircraft.com/
http://www.classicwings.com/sales.htm
Additionally the “Yellow Bible” Trade a Plane should also be consulted at length. They have an on-line version of the paper although I think you have to subscribe.
I have been known to trawl all of the above at times however my ability to turn dreams to reality has been severly constrained by the lack of financial horsepower to execute my desires!
May your search lead to satisfying resolution.
Chris
duvecLockheed Hudson/Lodestar Genealogy
The Hudson is the bomber version of the Lockheed Model 14 civil airliner.
The Lodestar (Model 18) has a similar relationship to the Ventura (Model 37) however the Ventura had larger engines.
(source: Lockheed by Bill Yenne )
Chris
duvecThe following matches “Swiss Mustangs” information and is sourced from the Warbird Directory by Geoff Goodall.
” • CA-18 A68-175 RAAF BOC 4.50: wfu RAAF Tocumwal, SOC 1.59 Mk. 23 Col Pay, Narromine NSW 60/65 Ed Fleming/ Skyservice Aviation,Camden NSW .65/67 CF-WWH John C. Kehler, Plumb Coulee MAN 1.5.67/71 (shipped to Vancouver, rebuilt Carman MAN by Bob Diemert: conv. to 4-seater, CF-100 canopy!) N64824 Frank Martucci, Roslyn Heights NY 18.5.71/73 N5789 ntu: rep. flew with this unauthorised reg. N64824 Frank Gruzman, West Babylon NY 31.1.73 John P. Silberman, Sherborn MA 8.11.73/75 Arthur S. & Dan Vance, Santa Rosa CA 5.8.75/02 (id. tfd. to composite rebuild rep. using ex TNI-AU airframe & hulk ex Illinois junkyard: rebuilt Shafter CA 75/82, ff 5.82; flies as “413678/V-C5″ Million Dollar Baby”, later “474389/B6-F”) (note: USCR quotes id. A68-175, but that airframe is N7496W: see 44-74950; USCR changed id. for N64824 in 2.00 to 44-74389: que se) “
As it is bedtime here and I suspect that Swiss Mustangs will beat me to posting a photo of this unique Mustang. JDK may even allow it is most distinctive of its breed!
Chris
duvec“Is there confusion here with the multi-seater Firefly or did he convert several types of aircraft?
Bob Diemert was the name.
Mark 12,”
Thank you, Bob Diemert is the man. I will head to my books and see if I can find more information. I am sure it was a Mustang however my mind is always suspect! I shall contact Mr Geoff Goodall of this parish to see if he has further information as well.
Chris
duvecIn response to the thread within a thread I recall the conversion of a Mustang, in Canada, some years ago that could carry four (4)! It had a CF100 canopy fitted to provide the required clarity over the heads of all on board! For the life of me I can’t recall the name of the guy who did it however I do know he went on to “restore” a Zero for the CAF as it was then.
Maybe some Canadian, or other forum members can refresh my memory and provide photos as well.
Chris
duvecJDK,
The undersigned fellow antipodean apologies for apparently misusing a TM saying in another thread.
Is it possible that further discussions could take place with a view to signing a licence for the use of the term? I find it fully descriptive of the type of tour taken by a visitor, and his wife, to these shores some years ago and although their tour was in some ways less broadly based than the original description Trade Marked by your good self (and associates), most of the conditions you detail were met, in fact or in spirit (lots of Spirit (s). I therefore discounted the tour by describing the Mark12 tour as a “quarter Patterson” to better reflect its more modest nature.
Can I have my lawyer call your lawyer to discuss the matter further?
duvec
duvecI cannot tell a lie – ‘Duvec’ made all the arrangements and what a fine host he was.
Mark12,
You are far too kind! In modern “forum parlance” it was only a “quarter patterson” and the least that could be done for visitor from the old country who shared the faith!
duvec
duvecTo further refine Mark12’s calculations on prewar housing costs as an indicator for a Spitfires potential current costs I went a’Googling and found a numer of inflation indexes, or should that be indices!). One is a British Parliament document of inflation from 1750 to 2000!
This site ( http://www.crowsnest.co.uk/north/rpi.htm ) allows you to pick a month & year and derive a value from which you can calculate a figure up to early 2001. Now allowing for my ineptitude with a calculator (I am not an engineer, nor do I play one on TV) I will leave others to do the sums from this table. This table could be used to work out the current cost of Hurricane, Sea Fury or Seafire FR47 if one new the “then” year cost. A useful activity on a rainy winters public holiday. Just as it is here today!
Chris
duvecFurther to comments JDK and Janie:
A well known collector in Australia insists on accurate schemes for his museum. His Spitfire is accurately marked except for the kill markings. He was prepared to be persuaded that the swastika mark could go on the aircraft as they did represent kills however his wife would not entertain any such mark for any purpose as its reproduction was so offensive to at least two generations.
Thus the aircraft appears with no kill markings – not even Japanese marks.
Chris
duvecDaz da Man,
An indirect reply to your query. Look out for the latest edition of Classic Wings (issue 45). It has eight (yes 8) pages of news on replica Spitfires around the world including shots of Mr Dubois’s aircraft. As one who knows little about replicas the article has been most illuminating.
Chris
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That is quite interesting… as Kjeller has been a military base continuously operating from its official opening on 21 september 1912. (counting 1940-1945 under German occupation)
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Wingnut,
It appears each airfield was formed about the same time, maybe six months difference with Kjeller starting first.
There is one other parallel for both airfields. Both operated the Maurice Farman Shorthorn. The RAAF Museum’s example can be seen at; http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/raaf2/html/m_f_shorthorn.htm
Chris
duvecWingnut, your plea for support for Kjeller airfield is familiar. We have been battling similar forces here in Melbourne where Pt Cook has been under the same threat for some time. It appears that the development forces have been “seen off” for the time being however vigilance must be ongoing.
The RAAF Museum is located on he base.
Website; http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/raaf2/index.htm
Below is an edited history of Pt Cook.
Quote:
RAAF Base Point Cook is the oldest continuously operating military airfield in the world.
The legacy of Point Cook to the history of both Australia and the Air Force began in 1913 when the site was purchased by the Government with a view to forming a military aviation corps.
On March 31, 1921, The Royal Australian Air Force was formed at Point Cook with 21 officers, 130 airmen and 170 aircraft.
The first pilot to gain his wings at Point Cook was a then Lieutenant Richard Williams, later to become Air Marshal Sir Richard Williams, the “father” of the Royal Australian Air Force.
Point Cook played host to many “firsts” in Australian military and civil aviation, including the first circumnavigation of Australia (1924) and first international flight (1926).
No. 1 Flying Training School was formed at the base in 1926.
Point Cook was home to Australian military flying training for 60 years, from 1933 to 1993, and the base for Air Force educational and training institutions from 1947 onwards. The RAAF College was formed at Point Cook in 1947 and the RAAF Academy in 1961.
End quote.
Chris
duvecJust a minor correction: Dennis Sanders, the son of the late Frank Sanders restored the Fiat and Boomerang at Chino. The Sander’s, father and son have had a significant effect on the number of Sea Furies made airworthy in the U.S.
Dennis subsquently moved the business from Chino to Ione California.
Chris
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