Thanks for the lead Jerry, I see that much of what you provided above also appears on page 12 of “359th Fighter Group” by Jack H. Smith [Osprey Elite Series, 2002]. As for the auction caption/location/date, you know as well as me from our previous experiences that many a red-herring has been caused by creative seller captioning 🙂
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Thanks for the additional info Chris…
As for Texans, Harvards, etc, etc… I’ve only just got me head around French licence-built NAA57’s and NAA63’s impressed into wartime service with the Luftwaffe! 😉
For the record:
N16730 – North American AT-6C
N7969C – North American SNJ-5
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Thanks for the confirmation Daz… it appears that the SNJ-5 in the photo kindly linked by Spitfireman has claimed a few kills since being caught on camera in my first post. Perhaps the colour photo was taken post-filming 🙂
Here is the same photo after some manipulation…

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Thanks for the points AT… we have a possible sighting for the second SNJ-5 here, but beware, Pat Benatar music video alert, so it may be advisable to switch the sound off when viewing… :dev2:
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Thanks for the head-up on the Croydon event Andy… I’m literally only just down the road so may pop along for a look… 🙂
These links may prove of use to those thinking of attending:
http://www.redhillairshow.co.uk/aerodromedirections.pdf
http://www.redhillairshow.co.uk/Collectors%20Fair%20Flyer.pdf
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🙂 No probs Mark… with regards both rudders being marked with kills, it appears so although I can’t say with 100% certainty. I see what I can find out…
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I was intrigued by the Me110 fin at the AWM and thought I recognised it as the fin I had photographed at the IWM Lambeth in 1958 as a schoolboy. Closer study shows similarity in style but not quite the same at the peak of the swastika. Anybody know the story and where this item is now?
There are two rudders, one at the IWM and one at the AWM, and according to The Preserved Axis Aircraft website, they both have 121 kills. One would say that they were from the same Bf110G-4 coded 3C+BA used by Major Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer…
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Check out the link in post #5 Mark… “This is the last example in the world still displaying its original camouflage and markings: a 1944 day-fighter scheme, with variations resulting from service repairs and replacements.”
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The Bf109G-6/U4/R3, WNr.163824 on display at the Australian War Memorial is still wearing its wartime scheme… Here is a link to the museum’s web page on this example…
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Its actually footage of two Bf109’s… look at the short tail-wheel at the start of the footage on White 3 and the longer tail-wheel at 00:27 on White 8. According to captions for both in the recently published “Bf109 Late Versions” by K.W.Wotowski [Mushroom, 2010] both White 3 and White 8 were photographed circa May 1945 with White 8 apparently photographed in Southern Germany.
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The two Bf109’s captured on this footage are as follows:
Source “Messerschmitt Bf109K Camouflage & Markings” by T.Poruba & K.Mol [Japo, 2000]
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Hi guys
This link makes interesting reading and the following is reproduced from “Jagdwaffe, Battle of Britain Phase Four Nov’40 to June’41” by E.Mombeek, D.Wadman and M.Pegg [Classic, 2002]:
“The Bf109E-7 was also equipped to carry a 300 litre drop tank, though is is unclear as to why these tanks were not used during the Battle of Britain. Fw Otto Junge of 6./JG52, shot down on 2nd November, informed his interrogators that in his unit, the bomb racks had been removed from new Bf109E-7’s and drop tanks fitted instead, but while this suggests that drop tanks were available in October 1940, there is little evidence that they were actually used. Whether this was because the tanks leaked and were therefore disliked by the pilots or was due, perhaps, to difficulties in providing adequate oil supply for extended flights(*) is not known, but had these auxiliary tanks been available earlier – or used earlier – then the increased endurance of the Bf109 may well have had a significant impact on the course of the Battle. Another possibility is that despite the distinct advantages offered by the auxiliary fuel tanks, bombs may have been preferred for purely operational reasons. As we have seen, unacceptably high losses had resulted in the medium bombers switching to night raids, but the Luftwaffe High Command still adhered to the traditional view that the most effective aerial action against important military targets was daylight bombing. Therefore, as long as the weather held, every effort was made to carry out as many Bf109 fighter-bomber raids as possible.”
(*) An interesting feature discovered in the wreckage of a crashed Bf109E in February 1940 was a tap in the cockpit with instructions to pump over extra oil after 1.5 hours flight
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The jokes get no better… but the answer to what I thought was going to be an impossible question is very much appreciated chaps & Al 🙂
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Appreciate the feedback chaps… it still has me completely bamboozled!
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No worries Tony, if there are any others you want to know, please do not hesitate to ask 🙂
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