zeroyon04anoter great video from the daily press:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUdt6ZSWUsI
Interview with the demo pilot, Maj. Paul “Max” Moga, the kulbit, somersault, super high-alpha moves, etc.
zeroyon04Ok aurcov and sferrin, thanks for the corrections.
I have a question too…
Is the SM-3 theoretically capable of intercepting a satellite? As in, does the SM-3 have sufficient range to reach a satellite (in either LEO or GEO), and does the SPY-1 radar have the capability to track a satellite? I know it’s not listed that the SM-3 can intercept a satellite in the description by Raytheon, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it can’t.
Since China recently tested a missile capable of shooting down a satellite (and the USA shelved their system a long time ago IIRC), it would not surprise me if sattelite-shootdown capability has been added to the SM-3.
Also, another question, which warships currently have the SM-3 deployed on them? I know that the USS Lake Erie, USS Shiloh, and USS Port Royal have carried out SM-3 tests, so it is obvious that those ships have the SM-3 deployed on them, but what other AEGIS ships also have the SM-3? Any ships in the JMSDF yet? How many SM-3 missiles per destroyer/cruiser? I heard that something like 15 destroyers and 3 cruisers in the US Navy will have the SM-3 deployed on them by the end of 2009. That is A LOT.
zeroyon04Saudi Arabia hasn’t paid $157 million for any Eurofighters. It hasn’t paid anything yet, & we don’t know what it will pay. Please don’t pluck figures out of the air. The only export price known for Eurofighters is the Austrian deal, which was 108.3 mn Euros – 62.3 mn for aircraft, the rest for extras. And that includes financing costs. Without them (i.e. more comparable to US export deals), it’s 92.6 mn Euros.
Yes, sorry you are correct, they haven’t paid anything YET, but that is what they will pay for the deal if it goes through all the way. 72 eurofighters for (over) 6 billion pounds, which is 83 million pounds each, which equals 157 million dollars USD using the current exchange rate.
I didn’t pluck those numbers out of the air either, I got them from here:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/12/the-2006-saudi-shopping-spree-eurofighter-flying-off-with-10b-s
http://burningourmoney.blogspot.com/2006/12/saudi-eurofighter-fix-good-for.html
What I would like to know is how much the different parts of the Raptor actually cost. Like the airframe, the radar, other sensors except radar, engines, computers and mission systems, all other avionics, aircrafts systems, LO materials and other areas that I have not thought of. And offcourse these systems respective development costs.
/Dan
That info can be found on page 65 of this document:
https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/FMB/pb/2007/afprocurement/3010_Aircraft_Procurement_v1_FY07_PB.pdf
F-22 raptor costs:
Engines: $19.069 million
Airframe: $75.848 million
Avionics: $25.171 milion
Total: 120.088 million
BTW, it lists the attrition replacement cost for an F-15E at $108 million on page 81, so the raptor is (about) $12 million more per unit than an F-15E
zeroyon04Japan is probably the only country that could afford the F-22. There is almost no chance that it would be “just” $120 million unless they wait far into the future and hope the US ups its order from the current 200.
If the USAF stays at the 200 (180? too lazy to look up exact number) machines, the actual cost of the program is around $350 million per plane. $120 million is how much it would cost to buy material and labor to make a new plane. It doesn’t include recuperation (much less profit.)
If Japan buys it won’t be around $120 million each. The US doesn’t have the habit of giving wealthy Far Eastern nations major discounts (Taiwan for example, in huge contrast to Israel.)
Any deal for F-22 would probably see around $200m per plane including ordnance and alterations.
$200 million USD per F-22 to Japan wouldn’t be that bad of a deal considering that japan spent almost $100 million USD per F-2 that it made, and Saudi Arabia just spent $157 million USD per Eurofighter that they just bought.
Also, R&D costs of the raptor shouldn’t be included in the cost of a raptor (when comparing unit costs with other aircraft) because R&D used to develop the raptor was also applied to the F-35, lowering its R&D costs.
zeroyon04Wrong.
Notice the 3 big smilie faces? Please learn sarcasam… :rolleyes:
zeroyon04audio-only cockpit recording of an F-15 shooting down two MiG-29s with AIM-120C missiles over Kosovo in 1999:
http://www.flight-level.com/dogfight/splash.mp3
http://www.flight-level.com/dogfight/dirk.html
posting it in this thread just for reference….
zeroyon04If a C-130 can take off and land on the deck of an Aircraft carrier, then im sure that pretty much any fighter aircraft can too 😀 😀 😀 (video for those who have never seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjNyQvhsQE8 )
About it being a reasonable thing to do though…. it seems a bit pointless to me :shrug:
zeroyon04ogami musashi and martinez, about horizontal stabs and their effect on the F-22 at high AoA (especially about their effect on yaw rate at high AoA and low airspeed), we were just discussing that over on fencecheck and F-16net a bit ago. Here are some quotes:
I have a question. On F-16.net we were discussing the F-22’s yaw rate which you guys have put at somewhere around 30deg/s. I thought that the big rudders on the Raptor were responsible for most of this but one member told me that the tailplanes are used differentially to provide yaw control. Does the Raptor use the tailplanes for yaw all the time or just in certain situations?
I think it’s an ingenious way of getting great yaw perfromance without needing 3D TVC.
Thanks.
He’s right on about the yaw rate, since we don’t use differential thrust vectoring and it’s not 3D, we use the flight controls to generate yaw. It’s very effective and simplified tremendously the engine nozzle requirements. At higher alpha the rudders are washed out, hence using the flight control surfaces, however, their always working in concert so its hard to say ‘exactly’ whats happening every time, the computer monitors a lot of parameters and then determines, for a given speed, alpha, g, pilot input, etc., just what flight control combination to use, and how much to move each surface and how long, to perform the maneuver as requested by the stick and rudder positions commanded by the pilot.
zeroyon04The only thing I am still unsure about is if Japan will ever buy (or make? probably not make actually) STOVL aircraft for their 2 new 16DDH destroyers that are currently under construction. I don’t know why they have the designation “destroyer”, as they have a large flight deck that can easily accomidate STOVL aircraft if a ski jump was added to the bow of the ship.
Same thing goes for South Korea and with its recently constructed “Dokdo Class LHD”. They didn’t even bother to hide the fact that the deck was coated in a special urethane to resist the heat from jet engines.
zeroyon04Yes, as aurcov pointed out, it seems a lot of people make the easy mistake of mixing up sustained AoA with transient AoA.
Here is an easy video to help you out… at the start of the video the F-22 is testing its sustained AoA (and later on in the end, it is stall testing)
zeroyon04I keep telling members of the forum that Japan will order F-22’s at some point! As of late we hear more and more news of Japan and the Raptor……..:D
I’m sure that the japanese government probably wants to buy the F-22, but
if the US Congress is willing to sell it to them is a whole nother matter. The vote last year in september to lift the ban on the F-22 for foreign export sales was voted as “no” by congress. I don’t know if they will (or can) have another vote on it any time soon, but until congress allows it for export, the USAF and the JASDF’s hands are tied. If you really want the F-22 to be exported, then the best way is to write to your congressman! (especially the ones that voted to block FMS).
Here is a screencap from a video by fujitv recently BTW:
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6577/f22fujinewsvu4.jpg
zeroyon04I much more prefer this version/remix of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ade8oO20w 😉
zeroyon04Sorry for digging up this old post, but I found something extra to add to my post above.
Here is an audio file I found (USAF radio com) on the MiG-29 kill I mentioned above on March 24th 1999: http://www.1stguns.de/support/mig29_kosovo_splash.mp3
zeroyon04People seem to forget sometimes too that the F-22A can use the JDAM as a standoff weapon. The F-117 can only travel subsonically, and drop at low altitudes, while the F-22A can drop JDAMs at over 1.5 mach and over 50,000 feet. This means that it can get bombs on target without getting itself into radar or SAM range.
zeroyon04I just want to point out that laser capability is going to be added to GPS JDAM bombs (called LJDAM), and procurement for the 500lb LJDAM will start in 2007
So if laser capability is added to the standard GBU-32 (1000lb mk83), 250lb SDB, etc, then the F-22 should (maybe) have laser capability too.
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