L-29 Indonesia
Mig 21 F-13 Algeria
still on the comparison between F-86, F-100, F-104 and MiG 19 the following link provides some interesting oppinions.
From the two sides of the ocean. The ZEL F-100 and the ZEL MiG -19
F-51 Indonesia
F-86 Thailand
Mi_4 Indonesia
Mi-6 Vietnam – for Canpark
Something more about the Soviet MiG 19 utilisation.
The Red Banner Aerobatic Team is known to have been equipped with the MiG-19 during the middle Fifties. The team is known to have had their aircraft painted with Red upper surfaces, Light Blue lower surfaces, and White numbers on the fuselage nose.
Please give the Sqn number, there is the possibility to ask former IIAF pilots about that too. 😉
According to the information I found, the Pakistanis used the 23rd squadron. I have no clue about the squadron used by IIAF.
There is singular episode occurring in September, 1977 when Pakistan and Iran decide to held a joint exercise in Pakistan. The two days long exercise pitted against each other in mockup dogfights the F-6 of the Pakistani Air Force and the F-5 E of the Imperial Iranian Air Force.
During the joint exercise a squadron of Pakistani F-6 and an Iranian F-5E visiting squadron confronted each other in dogfight tactics and gunnery.
According to Pakistani sources, after a couple of days of the exercise the F-6 came up as a clear winner over the F-5E and the Pakistani pilots were rewarded with 10000 rupees.
Thank you LIKA for the pic! 🙂 But it is actually a Shenyang F-5 (MiG-17F), look at the speedbrakes on the rear fuselage.
Anton, You are right it is indeed a MiG 17 F. To my knowledge Albania had only Soviet build MiG-17 and not the Chinese J-5. It is true anyway that the MiG 17-s came from China in 1962 and that they were Chinese reconditioned aircraft.
here comes a MiG 15
MiG 15 Albania for Anton. This picture belongs to the 70
MiG 15 UTI Finland Air Force
[QUOTE=Sens]Some update about Albanian MiG-19s/F-6s for us from:
Military Aviation Int., Issue No 1, p 12, a lot of pics.
“Shenyang F-6 (MiG-19S)
Albania received its first MiG-19s in October 1959 when 15 radar-equipped MiG-19PM ‘Farmer-E’s were delivered from the Soviet Union and issued to Regiment 7594 at Tirana-Rinas (now Aviation Regiment 4020).
In 1965, China took advantage of the collapse in Albania’s relations with the Soviet Union by persuading Tirana to trade 12 MiG-19PMs (three having presumably been lost in accidents prior to exchange) for 25 Shenyang F-6s, the export version of the J-6 – the Chinese equivalent of the MiG-19S ‘Farmer-C’, which lacked any form of radar.
This exchange enabled China to copy the Izumrud radar for their indigenous JJ-5/FT-5 and J-6A projects. Although production of the J-6A began in 1974, it was not exported to Albania.
Sens,
I have the above mentioned article from 1999. It has the merit of sheding some light in an otherwise obscure subject but it has some errors. Belive me the numbers I gave are correct. In 2002 I visited myself the country and managed to talk to some old albanian fighter pilots and this one of the thigs they all agreed.
Moreover, the article in question mentions the JJ-5 as having the Chinese copy of the Izumrud radar. For what I know, the aircraft in question never had a radar.
The picture shows an early built J-6 of the Albanian Air Force . This version is virtually identical to the MiG 19S.
Sens,
The difference between the MiG 19S and the basic J-6 shouldn’t be an argument here. After failing to produce a quality acceptable, licensed MiG 19P, the Chinese, using original Soviet documentation, geared up for the production of the MiG 19 S day fighter in 1961. In terms of general layout, dimensions and flight characteristics the initial J-6 are to be considered as clones of the MiG 19S. Sure, the purists will point out that the Chinese version had few vents or scoops at other places but I do not thing that those minor differences can make a difference.
The Albanians used 12 Soviet build MiG 19PM-s from 1959 to 1966. They didn’t’ loose any of them during this period and it is quite interesting to note that during that year they exchanged them with 12 newly built J-6 day fighters. According to them they found the Chinese aircraft quite capable. As for the J-7 they got a dozen of the very initial butch only in 1970. Still according to them they were tricky aircraft, being built in semi artisan way and requiring the same type of maintenance. This being the case it seems logical to me that the J-6 was somewhat more reliable.
In the context of the missile armed MiG 19 it is worth mentioning the Pakistani F-6 ‘s that were armed with Sidewinders. According to the memories of Chuck Yeager he helped the Pakistanis in making the F-6 Sidewinder capable.
The J-6 III, that apparently has no radar has wingtip mounted launchers for the Chinese Atoll. Also I have seen pictures of Albanian J-6 armed with the Chinese copy of the Atoll.
On the issue of the F-6 maintenance it is worth mentioning that Pakistanis established
a F-6 rebuild factory in 1980 for the primary purpose of overhauling the Pakistani F-6 aircraft and their airframe accessories. It was authorized to manufacture about 4,000 spares items for that aircraft, and also produce the 1,140 litre auxilary fuel tanks fitted to the F-6. It had a capacity of 224 aircraft a year. Engines for the F-6 were rebuilt at Faisal, a Pakistan Air Force Base at Karachi.
In two weeks from now I am going to have a long talk with a former J-6/MiG 19 pilot from the PLAAF, if you have questions in particular let me know, it is going to be first hand info, he flew 3000 hours on J-6 & J-7
It would be interesting to know about eventual improvements the Chinese did over the basic MiG –19 model, the maintenance problems, the reliability of the ejection seat and generally the flight characteristics of the J-6.
I would be interested to know something more about the J-6III, the one with a nose cone, cropped wing and enlarged flaps.
MiG- 21MF Egypt
MiG-21 PFM North Korea