u r right ben, but there has been too much speculation around it, I still think it’s just a matter of money, more than “preservation aims”…
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Thanks Alan, email on its way! 😀
EDIT:email doesnt work, sent u a private message 🙂
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all in all it’s an interesting price for such piece of machinery, expecially if u consider the career of her.. There must be some catch we’re missing pals 😉
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Harvard – Do you not think that most warbirds as such are some kind of investment. For example if I spent nearly one million restoring a Spitfire I wouldn’t be that interested in selling it for less than that figure. The OFMC
Spitfire MH434 was bought for 250K in 1983 from memory. If it’s now worth
1.5 million it’s been a better bet than putting it in shares.
Regardless of whether you agree with aircraft being restored for speculators – few would argue that the standard of restoration work hasn’t benefitted from the influx of money and they are keeping people in work.
Most of the ppl who operate warbirds do it for passion: a warbird is unconfortable, expensive, delicate and often a family breaker 😉
That’s why I wouldnt dare to define it as an investment, at least a safe one 😀
If u can afford to operate one u just do it, and u’ll hardly find an owner who would separate himself from his warbird, unless strictly necessary. U can’t reduce it to a mere business, it’s something more than that, and ppl who think about making profit out of it are just morons.. It’s easier to go bankrupt than to make money out of a warbird, flying them becomes a serious addiction! :diablo:
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ehehehe but surely mine is better! 😀
Do u happen to have a spare male plug for it mate?
My amaretto bottle is empty, hugs & kisses to Polly, did u show her the pics and tell her about my idea? 🙂
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eheheh you wish! [:D]
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The Blue Max, if a millionaire finds the Holy Grail and decides not to show it to the world “because I got it and it’s mine” wouldn’t he be an arrogant a$$? As I said u can’t own a warbird, it belongs to history, not to ppl.
Boomerang, this is no homebuilt kite, this plane flew in the middle 40s, so it’s no real risk to fly it properly and by a competent pilot.
And David, u r right, the aircraft stress factor is important, but
1) u dont need to keep on pulling +6/-4 G everyday
2) it’s no more a combat service plane
3) u can’t keep it stored forever and ever, can you?
I’d say let’s fly for all its hours and then store it in a museum if u really want, but restorating a plane to pristine conditions and in working order just for the pleasure of it is a mixture between feticism and masturbation…
The plane I’m restorating has a scheduled lifetime: we’re gonna fly it for all of its hours (it usually all depends on the engine TBO, more than the metal skin..), and then if we feel like we can go on we’ll do it, otherwise we’ll donate it to a museum.
Think about what they did with the 109G2: they flew it until it was nearly pranged, and then they decided to store it in a museum.
There’s another relevant fact: the fighter is said to be for sale. They spent a lot of money and dont wanna risk to lose them, that’s it.. Speculation on a historical plane tsk tsk tsk
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Maybe when you have found your own genuine FW190 and spent years and alot of money rebuilding it you could decide what happend to it!!!
oh no, not again… :rolleyes:
U can’t say “your own FW190”, money cant buy everything.. If u decide to restore a FW190 u must even fly it, otherwise it’s just an egoistic attitude on an historical symbol. A FW190 is an important witness of WW2 aviation, and it’s morally of all of us.. People in the warbird circuit must start realising the importance of having and mantaining one, being not only owners or pilots, but above all testimonials of an important aeroplane.
A static restoration on such good airframe is just a waste, and keeping it in a museum doesnt preserve it any better.. A flying warbird must be kept in airworthy standards, and this is the best way to preserve them, period.
Only a non pilot might think about spending all that money on a plane and then not flying it.. I guess how u can resist the temptation! 😀
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bump, any help chaps?
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thanks chaps, this was really interesting! 🙂
Yup, mine’s definitely like this one
So the Mk.IV E was installed in:
1) Vampire
2) Meteor
3) Sea Fury
any others? :confused:
Bruce, I got it mainly cuz I wanted a gunsight for my collection and because of the affordable price! 🙂
Since it’s in working order (and I guess it works on 24 volts), all I have to do is to find a proper male plug and is it supposed to wizz on? If so I could install it on my car 😀 😉
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P.S.
Last but not least, u guys think there’s some way to find a manual for it?
yeah, a great way to waste a FW… :rolleyes:
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Very good, kids…actually most folks recognize them fairly quickly (proving the old shades and a ballcap disguise does’nt work very well)….both were very approachable at the show and I asked Kurt if I could get a shot of him in front of the A-10 and he replied “Sure…you want just me or you want everyobody?” to which I said everybody if he could get them and he corralled Goldie and the kids and I got this great shot of them. They had just come off of playing host to Princess Di and the boys (Wills and Harry) a summer or two previous and I have seen some great footage of Wills and Harry riding ATV’s on the Russell/Hawn ranch…
Another UK tie in….the Staggerwing shown above is in Embassy/London colors, accurate to that plane, as it is owned and flown by one Chris Jacobsen of Denver and was based at SHAEF HQ during the war and is believed to have carried Eisenhower and a number of other dignitaries during the war…itm carries a ‘fire truck’ kill mark on the side from where it had a run-in with an airport fire truck that got in its way at Centennial airport back in the early ’90’s..Mark
lol for a fraction of second I thought U were Kurt Russell!! 😀 😀 😀
Now where’s my amaretto??? 😀 😀 😀
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the “walkirye ride” would be the perfect soundtrack for such sight 😀
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Here’s another story in the same vein – an extremely experienced pilot very nearly landing a 747 wheels up!
I’m trying to imagine how many sparkles a belly landing fully loaded 747 might make :D:D:D:D:D
good story and “not to do” example fellas
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most of the 40s planes had a warning horn that started screaming if u were with throttle to idle, flaps down (pre-flare attitude) and gears up.. The T-6 has the following landing gear warnings:
1) mechanical levers in the cockpit that show the moving of the gear leg
2) green/red ligths on top of the upsaid levers
3) warning horn
4) wing mechanical witnesses into small windows
redundant systems u say? still some pilots managed (and probably still manage) to accidentally belly land them..
The trick most ppl dont think about is “two pair of eyes is better than one”. That’s why these kinda mishaps are less frequent on two seaters, as long as two persons (possibly pilots) are monitoring what’s going on there should be no trouble 🙂
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