Helos?? Nananananana, not for me, too many parts spinning 😀
Alex
I mean, 9/11, creepy..
Alex
No, not at all, it is quite well documented. This is from the Crowood book on the Swordfish and Albacore.
“Staniland continued to test fly the TSR.I throughout the summer of 1933, seemingly with few problems, until 11 September…
MH
Interesting indeed! 11 September???
Alex
I always talk under a “aeroplane point of view”, since I have no experience on glider mate 😉 but scare is a feeling that might suit both categories 😀
Alex
There is the famous incident of the tst pilot from Fairey’s who jumped out of the prototype Swordfish, when it was in a flat spin, only to land in the back cockpit. He then had to jump again. He is one of few people to jump from the same aeroplane twice when the aeroplane was actually crashing!
another urban legend? Like the one of the pilot falling out of his Fury when on the top of a loop only to fall back in the cockpit when the plane completed the manouver by itself.. I’m not doubting about it, but u must admit that is courious at least! 😀
Alex
I have not read the AAIB report on the crash but I understand the spin went inverted and flat. That is most definitely dangerous but is not normally the case when spin training.
Melvyn
An aerobatic instructor I know told me once: “The only difference between a flat spin and an inverted flat spin is that u reach ground head first.. In both cases u can consider yourself sitting in a out of control plane, and the faster u get out of it the better..”
One thing is for sure, an inverted flat spin is not something happening everyday, u gotta put yourself into it..
Ironically if u r really low u can even save yourself, since the falling speed might not increase too much. I think it was in Ba Ba Black Sheep that Pappy told the story of a chap spinning into the ground with a Corsair. He broke most of his bones but the robust structure of the Corsair absorbed the impact and saved his life..
Alex
Rarely have I flown without a parachute.
I decided that after the spinning incident I would do a parachute jump, I ended up doing more than one 😀
forget about parachuting from a spinning plane.. Apart for the fact that (as discussed in another thread) sometimes parachuting from a plane can be deadly, the g loads of a spin summed with disorientation and fear of sitting in an out of control thing would not really leave much chances of getting out of it.. Many ppl consider the parachute a placebo..
Alex
P.S.
Tea’s ready! A cup of Earl Gray anybody? 😀
I agree with all of the above Alex! If the ATPL has 2 hours of unusual manoeuvres then how has Martin managed to get out the spinning in a Zlin? A bit confused.
Uh I dunno, ask him, not me 🙂 I know they’re obligatory..
The flying school I know has a CAP20 for it, and I can’t wait to puke all over the cockpit! 😀 😀 😀
Alex
In italy the height limitation for ultralight flying is 500ft ground in working days and 1000ft ground in the other days.. Needless to say many ppl climb higher, but they were at around 1000ft.
Alex
I assume they were at a safe height to be stalling? If so that’s why the height saved them!
It’s like saying the only thing that saved me from being killed driving to work, was no one putting a brick wall in the fast lane :rolleyes:
If you have height you should be able to spin safely.
DME
the truck travelling in front of u might lose a brick though… :rolleyes:
The recover was at treetop level pal, a $hit in yr pants experience, trust me.. 😮
Alex
I’ve heard of ATPLs who are afraid to fly single-engine aircraft!
A 777 pilot steps in front of a cessna, points the prop and asks the owner “Ok if this the APU where are the fans??” 😀 😀
Alex
I can accept the view that ATPLs generally fly large cargo/passenger aircraft completely disimilar to something like a Zlin – but you must remember that they are all also entitled to fly a lot of other things that will spin more readily.
Both sentences are wrong: the ATPL course has at least 2 hours of aerobatic flying to test unusual manouvers. Spinning a 320 is impossible, unless u hack the flying software! But have u ever seen a 707 doing a barrell roll? 😎
Ever heard of the sentence “he was an airline pilot with 10.000 hours! How could he spin and die in his small Cessna??”.. Flying an airliner has nothing to do with proper flying.. I met aeroclub 500hrs pilots with an incredible sense of flying and 1zillion hrs airline pilots not being able to feel lack of turn coordination with their a$$
A dear friend of mine who was both military and airline pilot always jokes about his 12.000 as a commercial long range pilot “12.000 hours??? Oh come on! I passed 2/3 of them sleeping!!” 😀 😀 😀
Alex
needless to say this is one of the strangest posts I ever saw.. but as many others here it goes hopping from one topic to another in a hurry, so I guess the best thing to do is getting along with it..
I’m interested in the aircraft spinning thing as I always thought that a pilot must explore all the flight envelope of a machine to be able to adfirm “ok, I got the hang of it”. Accidents are a sad truth,but they almost always happen because of human error: it’s the instructor that have to be blamed, not the exercise..
Doing the thing in a sim is not the same, as every aircraft has its peculiar way of getting out of a spin: some of them need the classic “opposite rudder and neutral stick”, others want the full forward stick, others again dont simply wanna spin and get out by themselves, u can cross yr arms in front of yr face and scream and they’ll pop out in a hurry.. But u gotta do it, u have to see how yr body reacts to the thing, how many spins u need to get out, what’s the sinkrate.. In theory yr flight conduct should never put u in the position of entering a spin, but u might never know: I know a display pilot who was trying a stall in a high perfromance ultralight with an instructor, the stall was pretty abrupt and the instructor panicked, he thought they were entering a spin and gave full rudder, actually starting a spin himself.. it took them five complete spins with full rudder to get out of it, the only thing that saved them was height..
I guess the worst thing to happen is entering a spin and the only thing u r trained to do is thinking “now what the hell is going on here!?!?”
Alex
Do you think it should fly? It’s the only one left in the world. Could be risky.
No questioning, it MUST fly!!!! 🙂
Alex
I think we still have some 35/50 years left, and anyway there are surely lots of areas to start digging, the point is that it will become more and more expensive.. additives are not the solution though, I mean they could be used of course, but this would drastically reduce the TBO and even the HPs. What really scares me is that we still dont have a valuable alternative to oil, so I wonder what all the vehicles in the world will have to use to keep going..
Alex