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It’s indeed amazing how You try to ignore simple facts: Alone the faked Su-27, the B767 and even more the wrong-placed airliner logo on the fuselage … there’s simply no need to claim it to be true !

As such I do not say that what the other side tells is truth, but who fakes such an image so blatantly and still insists to know the truth is either plain stupid or simply so arrogant to think all others are dumb.

Deino :confused:

um i think u misunderstood me, i was simply translating the video ( its says they dont know if the picture is real or fake, but it its fake- then a “professional” did it… no where dose it claim the picture is true all. They said that they dont know, but its ironic that it fits with the Russian version of events…

i still dont get where every one thinks that 1rst channel claimed this was real

the original video – just to let all know what we are talking about

for those people that are just trolling it clearly says in the video- whoever sent this image to us is clearly a professional because there is no way to prove that it is fake- they have tried. (they are not saying its 100% true) it supports all russian evidence to there being fighters in the air also all their evidence supports the claim that this is either a British spy satellite image or a US

su25 gun rounds

2nd video dose not lie you simply cant ignore the facts, 30mm cannon fire test looks exactly like that of the Boeing

Kremlin controlled media can not put even basic facts strait: they say that was Mig 29 when that crude PS fake clearly depicts Su 27 .This is not even funny,that is pure misinformation and lie intended for total layman and thick nationalistic audience.

u guys are silly and dont understand how this works- and here is how it works!

“”Daniel – November 15th, 2014
“Thus, the material reported by 1TV cannot be deemed credible to support the theory that MH17 was shot downed by another aircraft.”
Actually, all that might be proven is that the photo is falsified. It was NOT part of the actual Russian Union of Engineers Report, which is the best forensic analysis to date. Considering that the Engineers went to great pains to be factual in their report, I find it curious that a random “GIFT” shows up supporting their conclusions, by an US “MIT expert” …from “wikileaks” with an image that can be easily proven false. Rather than an attempt to perpetrate a scam by the Russian engineers, it appears this is more likely counter-propaganda DESIGNED to DISCREDIT the report by associating it with TAINTED evidence. All of a sudden the headline story goes from “Credible group comiles credible evidence of UKR jets shooting down MH17″ to “Russia tries to pass false evidence”. The Engineers were suckered into a honey trap of planted evidence. ITV couldn’t resist the “smoking gun” scoop, and got snookered by NSA. The report, with sufficient evidence to prove their theory will be dismissed and never read. Meanwhile the “attempted fake” story will be repeated every time the UIKR jet shootdown is mentioned. And the US and KIEV will never have to show THEIR current iteration of “proof”, *which Kerry has, but can’t show.) Contrary to your conclusion, the PR scam makes the Engineers evidence even MORE compelling.””

“”New radar data indicating that military aircraft were in the air near Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 when it crashed in eastern Ukraine on July 17 has been released by a Russian air safety consultancy.

The consultancy provided a snapshot representing the readings taken by a radar station located in Russia’s Rostov, near the Ukrainian border, shortly before and about 20 minutes after the MH17 crash. The snapshot was given to Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper.

According to Sergey Melnichenko, CEO of Aviation Safety consultancy, there were one or two warplanes in the air close to the Malaysian airliner. The data casts doubt on the version of the tragedy favored by Western nations, which claims the plane was shot down from the ground by rebel forces with a sophisticated surface-to-air missile.

The data “came from an air traffic control center in Rostov,” Melnichenko said, declining to reveal which one and whether it was civilian or military. He assured that “we have full trust in the sources, which helped us make it available to the public.”

“The data clearly shows that at the moment of the crash and after it there were planes moving north of the Boeing course. Most likely, they were military, because the spots are very close to each other. The conclusion is that there were either one or two aircraft there,” Melnichenko told the daily.

The alleged military plane or planes are represented by blue spots tagged ‘T,’ while MH17’s route is marked by a purple line. (image from http://www.aviasafety.ru)The alleged military plane or planes are represented by blue spots tagged ‘T,’ while MH17’s route is marked by a purple line. (image from http://www.aviasafety.ru)

Another indication that the planes in question were military aircraft is the fact that they didn’t respond to being scanned, Melnichenko said. Civilian planes always reply to signals from radar, while military aircraft are “usually unequipped with transmitter-responders or the pilots turn them off during combat flights,” he explained.

With the rebel forces possessing no air force of their own, Russia and Ukraine are the most logical parties to send warplanes to that area, the expert said. But it would have been impossible for a Russian warplane to make it over the border without being detected by Ukrainian and NATO radars.

“There would’ve been reaction on something like that long ago – from NATO and Ukraine. But there was no reaction because there was nothing to react to,” he explained.

A man on the crash site of the MH 17 Malaysian Boeing that was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. (RIA Novosti / Alexey Kudenko) A man on the crash site of the MH 17 Malaysian Boeing that was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. (RIA Novosti / Alexey Kudenko)

Several days after the MH17 crash, the Russian Defense Ministry released evidence that it detected a Ukrainian fighter jet near the Boeing at the time of the catastrophe. Kiev denied deploying any jets on that day, but it had been routinely using aviation to deliver airstrikes at rebel positions.

READ MORE: Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash – Moscow

According to Melnichenko, the new data is consistent with that published by the military.

“Our data is somewhat more precise…they didn’t present the airplane’s flight paths as clearly. But maybe they did it intentionally, I don’t know,” he said.

At the crush site of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777, outside the village of Grabovo, near Shakhtyorsk, Donetsk Region. (RIA Novosti / Mikhail Voskresenskiy) At the crush site of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777, outside the village of Grabovo, near Shakhtyorsk, Donetsk Region. (RIA Novosti / Mikhail Voskresenskiy)

The expert added that the presence of military planes north of the Boeing would put them in a position to the left of the plane. Some photos from the crash site showed damage to the cockpit’s left side, consistent with a scenario of an attack by those planes.

READ MORE: MH17 might have been shot down from air – chief Dutch investigator

All 298 people aboard Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 were killed when the airliner crashed on July 17. The plane was downed over the warzone in Ukraine’s Donetsk region, where Kiev authorities imposed after the February coup launched a military crackdown on rebels rejecting the change of power.

Both sides involved in the conflict have accused each other of bringing down the aircraft. Kiev and its Western sponsors claim it was shot by a BUK defense missile system brought from Russia, and hold Moscow accountable for the tragedy. No evidence has ever been presented, except for questionable photos floating online which claim to show the system.

OSCE experts examine the crash site of the Boeing aircraft of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. (RIA Novosti / Alexey Kudenko) OSCE experts examine the crash site of the Boeing aircraft of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17) from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. (RIA Novosti / Alexey Kudenko)

In late October, the chief investigator with the Dutch National Prosecutors’ Office, Fred Westerbeke, told Der Spiegel magazine that his team is open to the theory that another plane shot down the Malaysian airliner.

According to its website, Aviation Safety consultancy and analysis agency provides information, advice, and analytical services in the field of aviation safety for the members of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), a collective of former Soviet republics.””

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