I’m nigh on sure that it’s a P-40D onwards see pics of the panel Olivier mentioned and the seat. So we’re talking possibly of an original shark-mouthed Kittyhawk, interesting stuff, shame this is all that’s left.
Tom
Photo credits: Steven Stohr
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/101-200/walk139_P-40E/walk139.htm
Hello Cees
I can’t recall the exact details of the engines, I’m fairly sure they were discovered in ‘The East’ somewhere, must try to dig the article out.
Tom
I’m just as dubious as everyone, remember the story of P-51s in shippng crates in China? The trouble is that when Flug Werke found those DB engines in the same condition as this mystery 109 it threw a spanner in the works as it was the first time I’d heard of such a thing myself… time will tell.
Tom
Daz, for some pics and a few stories try Ervin Miller’s chapter on the Eagles in Alfie Price’s book on the Spit, some great pics in there, he’s a great old boy and can really tell a story 😉
have a look here too:
http://www.eaglesquadrons.com/coppermine/index.php?cat=5
Tom
Which close to the M25 B25 are we talking about Tom? The one that flies or the one mouldering away in a corner???
Hello Yak11Fan
The B-25 I was referring to was the ‘mouldering’ example, both might be moving in the very near future. I hear the Sandtoft example still hasn’t found its way to Belgium yet. My apologies to David, it was late, only time I get to check the forum nowadays.
Tom
The ‘close to the M25 B-25’ is due to move more than a few inches very soon, David you might need to re-check your information guv.
Tom
She might be staying in the UK, nothing set in stone as yet though.
Tom
I’m up for another visit especially if there’s plenty of us going, always good for a natter 😉 closed season would be best as the summer is usually a fairly packed schedule for me.
Tom
Hello folks, depending upon which way you were travelling many of you could’ve been caught up in some serious traffic. M25 was at a standstill eastbound when I arrived at the Museum at 11 and was no better when I left at half-twelve so a reschedule is a wise choice.
Tom – not liking the look of the pall of smoke currently over Barnet and the rest of north London
sconnor, the Yak factory at Orenburg in Russia built 10, new build, Yak-3s which were funded by Flight Magic of Santa Monica in the ’90s. Although none use a Klimov powerplant, Allisons were fitted, it’s still a beautiful aircraft, as you can see in Glenn’s pics, thanks Glenn. For a genuine Klimov powered Yak we’ll have to wait for somebody to buy this:
http://www.russianaeros.com/ForSale.htm
Tom
I’ll be there, only a few miles away, so plenty of time to recover from a night at Brixton Academy, Chemical Brothers, nowt better! (Other than a day talking ‘shop’ 😉 What’s the general consesus on ETA?
Tom
I’m no expert on the P-40 but heres my opinion for what its worth.At the time of the Battle of Britain, the Tomahawk Mk1 would have been the type in service, not as good as the later Kittyhawk which did well in the desert against the ME 109. Considering the Tomahawk would have been at a height disadvantage most of the time and most of the combats were at medium and high level, I can’t see it would have done any better than the Hurricane, and definately couldn’t have performed as well as the Spitfire. Many RAF pilots only survived because of the turning ability of their aircraft, so the P-40 would have been at a disadvantage there.In short I think the RAF would have been in big trouble using it.
…I do recall a recently deceased pilot, R.I.P Ray, saying that the Hawks turned on a par with a Spit or Hurri so the turning issue would not be a problem. I just think that Fighter Command were used to aircraft with Merlins and wouldn’t accept anything else, ‘Merlin Snobbery’ methinks 😉
The Aussies and New Zealanders made a name for themselves using Kittyhawks which were heavier than the Tomahawk, the term ‘Lead Sled’ was coined at the time. As long as good tactics were used I think that P-40s could have made a large dent in the Luftwaffe’s Bomber force inventory, as the Hurri did.
Also, nobody has mentioned the Tomahawk’s older sister, the Hawk 75, it fared reasonably well during the Battle of France and I think it would have fared reasonably well in the Battle, better rate-of-turn than anything the Allies had at the time, allegedly.
Tom
Photo copyright: Pioneer Aero Restorations
Work: FIAT G-46, MKI Spitfire, C-47 and Extra 200
Home: Magnetometer 😉
Tom
Hello Mark, you could try Mr Charleston, I recall hearing that he found some RAF razorback mustang parts a while back.
Tom
G-DAKS plus three I can not put id’s to at present………….
LAHARVE
This should solve the mystery to one of your Dak IDs
C-47A/DC-3 N1944A, based out of Kemble
Seen here during engine runs at Kemble this summer and at the British Midland Pilots flying day at Lasham a few months back.
Tom