Shkval1Originally posted by Arthur
Are there any backups for the claims that refugee camps inside Pakistan were attacked by the Soviets? It would be the first time i’ve heard from it.
Yes, there are.
As you know, the borders were secured with Soviet Special Services or Spetsnaz, bases were scattered in depth on 10-150km from border (Iran/Pakistan). They wiped out caravans, mujaheds bases. Very often mujaheds retreated to pakistan territory and Spetsnaz had no choice but to strike them on foreign territory, also annihilate “objects” inside Pakistan. That’s where a lot of pakistan border guards were slaughtered with other mujaheds, especially for their black berets with red/yellow cockard which practically were mistaken for foreign mercenary troops.
Update 1. Though it’s not VVS. And I don’t know is this came out of “secret” sign yet.
Update 2. Refer to destroying of heavy defensed area “Javara” in Paktia region.
Shkval1Originally posted by Kussikap
The only problem in Afghanistan with the Sovs was that Moscow was unwilling to commit more than the 150,000 or so men that it originally sent.
Less.
Soviet Union controlled Afghanistan with 40’th Army which strength was varied to 120,000 maximum. Practically less.
God, what did they talk about? Soviet Union was an Empire in full meaning of that word.
SU entered in Afghanistan, occupied it in 48 hours, conducted one of the most successful operations in secret services’ history “Storm 333”, established civil life, established in short time Afghan DRAA Army, and did it in 10-years period with pretty little contingent.
To overcome guerilla resistance, which was financed by USA and others, simply didn’t worth lives and finances to put in.
Shkval1Now go back to repainting Russian planes and calling them J** and russian missles and calling them SD**.
Whom do you talking to, huh? 😉
Shkval1Originally posted by Bhairav Why the F-C-U-K do you have to bring up India in a thread about RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIERS? Go troll somewhere else.
He’s also in “Israel, India ink billion dollar Phalcon deal” thread with his typical idiotic comments.
what do you guys see the loadout of this new carrier like? Any surface-to-surface missiles possible on it, do you think?
1) It’s limited withing 50,000-55,000 tns – the biggest wharf is Severnaya Wharfin Saint-Petersburg or Baltiyskiy factory, if it will not be rebuilded.
2) Hope they bury once and for all Soviet “hybrid design”.
So it seems that all AS rockets will be mounted on new, redesigned Su-33 mod (which is really good), with extremely good electronic kit.
Air wings: 60 aircrafts of which 50 – combat, 4-6 DRLO.
2 AA systems, about 4 CIWS “Palash”-like, 2×4 anti-torpedo systems.
Shkval1Originally posted by Arthur
So they have 13 years to come up with a design, find or build a wharf (the Nikolayev shipyards are Ukrainian now), then build the boat, and commission it?Sure.
Nevskoye PKB already have a design, and Severnaya Verf could build it up.
Shkval1About Russia… Dream on. It was a faillure when it comes to politics. And if it was that strong then why couldn’t they beat humble, bad armed and not educated Taleban? I am laughing…
But it wasn’t failure when it comes to military aspect. Seems that you have zero knowledge about guerilla war, and history overall.
I have already explained the Afghan issue to another pakistani short-brained, which seems went away from this forum.
Shkval1Originally posted by google
Bahnhaus seems to like to post politically flaming topics, e.g. his ones in the general discussion room.
Got it.
The world is full with illusions and if somehow some people believe the Earth is flat, let ’em do it.
Shkval1flex297, pal, do not feed the trolls.
This type of mmm…mentally damaged people should be ignored with much possible mercy.
Shkval1Originally posted by Bahnhaus
Need I go on ?
Thanks, if somehow I need to read “All propaganda in one place”, I’ll call you.
Shkval1Re: Russian Navy CinC: New aircraft carrier, 2017
Originally posted by Vympel
Cool.
I propose better headline:
Russian Navy: Death Star to 2117
Shkval1Originally posted by Bahnhaus
[B]The Russian airforce is not what it used to be, being beaten by a worthy airforce like Pakistan’s airforce or the Israeli Airforce or the USAF is nothing to be ashamed of![/i]
Of course, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, ’cause not Pakistan’s airforce, nor Israeli Airforce, nor USAF never ever beat Russian AF.
Take this for example your nation Russia had for decades built the
Iraqi war machine equiping it with some of the most crude weapons
As well as USA & France.
Shkval1Originally posted by Bahnhaus
Its obvious that Indians are jealous
of the Pakistan Airforce
No, it’s obvious, that our Pakistani friends have some serious problems with reading skills, otherwise they could somehow realized that thread was strangely named “PAF over Afghanistan [Russian Perspective]”, and it seems that I’m only Russian over here.
The PAF does not exist to impress you, but when our boys on a 2 F-16 patrol managed to shoot down 2 MIGs while outnumbered 8 to 2
The problem is that during Aghanistan presense 40th Army didn’t lost any MiGs-23.
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So, Ali_Tamur, the answer, which is documented by Soviet side is:
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The order to all Soviet troops of 40th Army, deployed in Afganistan: “You are restricted to open artillery fire in 15-km bodrer zone, all Soviet pilots are restricted to enter 10-km border zone”. So it was forbidden to Soviet pilots to intercept and engage any Pakistan aircraft.
29 April, 1987 – when Pakistani lost 1 F-16 – it’s was whether a lucky hit by OFAB-100 (each MIG-23MLD were carrying 16 of them during that mission), mistake by second F-16 pilot, or really hit by GSh-23L (250 OFZB shells were always ready) and the aircrafts (unlike in following incidents) were piloted by Soviet aces (the group leader was HQ regiment commander, lieutenant colonel Alexander Pochitalkin).
As regards the following list
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1) 17 May, 1986
Over Parachinar Bulge Afghan Su-22 were on bombing raid, missed the border -> one of them was shot down by AIM-9L, second returned (the kill was scored by the words of Pakistani pilot who said that “I deal a significance damage to them”).
2) 30 March, 1987
Over Chamkani, Afghan An-26 heading to Host
3) 16 April 1987
Another one Afghan Su-22
4) 4 August, 1988
Soviet Su-25, Col. Ruskoi Alexander Valadimirovich, was taken prisoner, later returned to SU
5) 20/21 November 1988
Afghan An-26 crashed – it was unknown due mechanical fault or by enemy fire
6) 31 January 1989
Soviet An-24 near Bannu, crashed while landing.
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2 Su-22, An-26 Afghan Army (DRAA), Su-25 Soviet AF
Not single MiG-23MLD was lost by 40th Army in A2A (Afghan Army had no such type), especially during 87-88 – there were no combat losts of such type at all.
They only targeted the aircrafts without any A2A rockets, especially those ones bombers that going after manoeuvre, far from any base, without experience (Afghan pilots), the Soviet ones never ever paid much attention to them even if they were close: in other words, their presense were treated as insignificant.
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Shkval1Originally posted by Bahnhaus
Either way the Pakistan airforce has chewed up everyone it has fought. Its a good achievement for a smaller country with less money then its rival India.
Well, the problem is they only targeted the aircrafts without any A2A rockets, especially those ones bombers that going after manoeuvre, far from any base, without experience (Afghan pilots), the Soviet ones never ever paid much attention to them even if they were close, and with all these efforts they scored in pure combat about 6 kills. So for better records it could be useful for Pakistanis AF to apply they experience on civilian aircrafts. 🙂
Shkval1Rutskoi is he still in jail for coup against Gorbachev ?
Against Yeltzin you mean – answer is no. Now he’s a Kursk region governor.
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But yes, he was in one of 5 aircraft that were shot down by Pakistani during Soviet presence in Afghanistan.
Shkval1The order to all Soviet troops of 40th Army, deployed in Afganistan: “You are restricted to open artillery fire in 15-km bodrer zone, all Soviet pilots are restricted to enter 10-km border zone”. So it was forbidden to Soviet pilots to intercept and engage any Pakistan aircraft.
29 April, 1987 – when Pakistani lost 1 F-16 – it’s was whether a lucky hit by OFAB-100 (each MIG-23MLD were carrying 16 of them during that mission), mistake by second F-16 pilot, or really hit by GSh-23L (250 OFZB shells were always ready) and the aircrafts (unlike in following incidents) were piloted by Soviet aces (the group leader was HQ regiment commander, lieutenant colonel Alexander Pochitalkin).
As regards the following list
——
1) 17 May, 1986
Over Parachinar Bulge Afghan Su-22 were on bombing raid, missed the border -> one of them was shot down by AIM-9L, second returned (the kill was scored by the words of Pakistani pilot who said that “I deal a significance damage to them”).
2) 30 March, 1987
Over Chamkani, Afghan An-26 heading to Host
3) 16 April 1987
Another one Afghan Su-22
4) 4 August, 1988
Soviet Su-25, Col. Ruskoi Alexander Valadimirovich, was taken prisoner, later returned to SU
5) 20/21 November 1988
Afghan An-26 crashed – it was unknown due mechanical fault or by enemy fire
6) 31 January 1989
Soviet An-24 near Bannu, crashed while landing.
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2 Su-22, An-26 Afghan Army (DRAA), Su-25 Soviet AF
Not single MiG-23MLD was lost by 40th Army in A2A (Afghan Army had no such type), especially during 87-88 – there were no combat losts of such type at all.
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