There were two 771 NAS Sea Devons on static at the 1988 Air Day: XK895 and XJ324.
Lee
I recently had the pleasure of interviewing a Royal Navy Martlet pilot who flew them in North Africa, yes, out of the desert, not off aircraft carriers.
Steve
Can I ask what his name was? Did he still have his logbooks/any photos?
Lee
When it’s finished 😀
Seriously though, Spring 09……..hopefully.
Hi Brian,
hopefully it will be reprinted at some point.
Once we’ve finished the RN Helicopters book then we’ll be concentrating efforts on the fully revised reprint of the 39-45 tome. That said, publication won’t be for at least three years I wouldn’t have thought. I have recently been told of at least one second hand copy on the market – yours for the princely sum of £175!!:eek:
Farnboro.
Mark
Image by Peter Arnold
800 NAS The Red Blades.
706 Naval Air Squadron flew A 4 x SeaKing display in the mid 1980’s called the ‘WHALES’ which was quite apt. These helos had a meshing of rotor blades in about 1984-5 whilst practicing for a display, at least three of which came down in fields adjacent to Culdrose airfield.(personal testimony) Maybe this was the reason they didn’t last very long?
The Whales had a longer history than that – they began in 1977 and went through to 1986, thereafter being “reborn” as The Pirhanas! The collision occurred in 1984 though thankfully with only minor damage to the aircraft.
More details on all RN helicopter display teams will be featured in our forthcoming book due out early next year. More on that later…….:D
The short answer, IMHO, is that the RN FAA were appallingly served by their Lordships, the Air Min, and equipped with dreadful aircraft until, basically, they got US equipment. Swordfish were lucky to be used mostly in conditions of no enemy activity / at night / where there was British air superiority. The one occasion they weren’t, the Channel Dash, they weren’t ‘just’ decimated, they were ALL knocked out of the sky.
I’d agree they were very brave men.
Well, not exactly. Let’s not forget that the Corsair was a disaster waiting to happen when first supplied to the RN. It was only after intervention by British engineers that it became a viable aircraft to deck land, and this was then fed back to the US variants.
I’d also say that stating the FAA were particularly badly done by is forgetting some of the incredibly poor aircraft the RAF had at various points in comparison, many of which lasted a mere fraction of the time that the Swordfish did in service.
As for the Channel Dash, again let’s not forget one of the major contributory factors in the loss of Esmonde and his incredibly brave 825 NAS aircrew – namely the failure of the RAF to provide adequate and timely fighter air cover.
Sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but any chance you can look up XK421 as well please Lee ?
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PM Me
The history of your aircraft is in British Aviation Research Group’s “Roundel” magazine. Send me a PM and I’ll help you out.
Unfortunately the AAC Museum’s research library is run very much on a shoestring, and you’ll probably be waiting quite some time for a reply. They would probably eventually send the same information from the same source anyway as it is (currently) the only one-stop-shop for Auster AOP.9 histories (amongst others).
Lee
Mark
Can’t view the pic here from work and my PC router is up the spout. It should be KL112 which was finally broken up c.1958. Do you have a precise date for the pic?
Lee
It was a joint decision between the MoD and the CAA to permanently ground all Skeeters on the UK G- and Mil registers due to main rotor blade spar corrosion problems. Badly underpowered, especially on a hot day, the type was marginal to operate at the best of times. At the time the AACHAF’s aircraft last flew their then (female) OC was chosen specifically to fly the type as she was the only one light enough to allow the aircraft to get airborne with any meaningful margin of safety!
No Sea Hawks were painted in white in the Pattern 2 scheme, it was Sky and EDSG. Presumably when WF259 was restored they couldn’t get hold of sufficient quantities of Sky and went for “something near it”. :rolleyes:
Will look for the DH Heron barge that you mentioned. In the meantime I looked up XA160 (T.22 Sea Vampire) and found these ‘barge’ decals on Hannants, yet they show her in EDSG not, green…
This is itself is interesting, as various other threads, and indeed model kits I found show a green:
Steve – look who wrote that piece! :rolleyes:
You’re getting confused. The Hannants decals are for XG775, not XA160. They show it (not very well) in blue, not EDSG. XA160 was definitely green and white – there are photos to prove it.
I spent a week in Arizona at the end of 2006 supervising the painting of an ex Swiss AF Vampire T.55 as XG775.
Lee
The only Wyverns i know of that were dumped over the side of carriers were those that suffered some sort of accident at sea and were deemed uneconomical to repair.
The vast majority were flown direct to Lossie in 1958, including some that had quite literally just been reconditioned by the manufacturers. It appears the navy could’nt wait to see the back of it, hence why so little survives today!
None were disposed of from carriers. All of the surviving examples were scrapped at Lossiemouth. Full histories are in “Fleet Air Arm Fixed-Wing Aircraft since 1946”, Air-Britain, Sturtivant, Burrow, Howard, 2004.
The aircraft had not been reconditioned by the manufacturers, but at RNAY Fleetlands, Hampshire.
Cracking thread here, I’ve just come in late, but some great discussion here and very useful too, as I’m building the Sea Hawk for FS2004 at the mo and am about to do WV908 as she stands today.
One thing I’d like to get opinions on is the level of gloss finish FAA Sea Hawks were maintained with. I’ve set mine to something just over semi-gloss, but some folks have commented this is too shiny. Would this have been a case of they started off glossy but gradually wore down to a low-semi gloss/borderline matt over the years? I have some Dutch FGA.50s and Mk.101s that looked more matt, given that they were handed over in the latter years of the type’s life.
For the record, I am definitely a EDSG/Sky fan as well. One final question: I have painted one FGA.6 up in the green/white ‘Admiral’s barge’ scheme but does anyone know the significance of the green? I have seen it referred to as ‘Flag Officer Green’ but wondered about this. Does anyone have an accurate swatch for it as I guessed mine off colour photos.
You can see my work in progress here:
http://www.nazcastudios.com/sea-hawkCheers all,
Steve
p.s. if you blokes are after a nice-looking Suez scheme, pay a visit to the Midland Air Museum at Baginton – they have a lovely FGA.6 in said scheme that you can sit in (WV797).
Steve
The Sea Hawks in the post-1957 EDSG/white scheme were high gloss. The green of the 781 NAS Sea Hawks (there being two in succession – XE390 first, followed by WV856 which is now on display at FAAM Yeovilton and the green can still be seen on the canopy framework to this day) was Emerald Green as applied to all Flag Officer Air (Home) and later Flag Officer Naval Air Command (FONAC) “barge” aircraft. Whilst at Lee-on-Solent FOA(H) and FONAC had the Sea Hawk, a Sea Vampire T.22 (XA160) and a Sea Devon (eg XJ324 and XJ350) in this green scheme. Flag Officer Naval Flying Training (FONFT) at Yeovilton had blue and white aircraft – Sea Vampire T.22 XG775, Hunter XL580 and Sea Devon XJ319.
Hope that helps.
Lee