But how can this be so? I mean, we’ve been told time and time again that FAAM doesn’t have the skills to perform such work? Doesn’t it?? ??
I think it worth adding (as I don’t think it is mentioned above) that virtually all of the nuts, bolts and washers are the originals which have all been treated and re-used. And where the originals were too far gone, original spec replacements have been sourced. And all protected in accordance with the original drawings. Such is the attention to detail. No scrappy bits of tinwork, no commercial-type cheap alternatives, no filler.
Proper, meticulous, careful restoration such as this by people (one in particular) who could put a lot of so-called engineers to shame, will preserve this unique aircraft for generations to come. Work like this takes time, effort and money to do RIGHT.
BZ FAAM!
This is Farnborough 1958 (between 30 August and 5 September): Westminster G-APLE (‘Slim’ Sear), Wessex HAS.1 XL727 (Roy Bradley), Whirlwind HAS.7 XL880 (Derek Colvin) and Widgeon G-AKTW (John Fay).
Lee
According to the Historic Flight , Skeeter XL812 (G-SARO) was grounded in 2007 by the CAA (along with all Skeeters) due to issues with main rotor blade spar corrosion and time expired components.
What the time expired components are I am unsure
The Skeeter’s Civilian Permit to Fly was withdrawn by the CAA during the first quarter of 2005 following the publication of the findings of an MoD report into Ageing Aircraft in which Significant Structural Integrity issues were identified regarding shortfalls in the original fatigue substantiation of Skeeter transmission and rotables during the platform’s development resulting in substantially lower calculated Safe Lives for such components than those originally predicted by Saunders-Roe. The final nail in the coffin came with the discovery of significant pitting corrosion within the tubular steel main spars of a large sample of main rotor blades as part of the Structural Sampling Programme instigated to try and regain confidence in the aircraft’s Structural Integrity. Support for the Skeeter and its all-important Safety Case was formally withdrawn by the MoD 14 January 2008.
Lee
I have the reg info and font details just need the height of the side lettering each side of the roundel and the width of the yellow bands.
Thanks all for the info.
Out of interest, which Provost is this for?
Can anyone with an original scheme let me know the height and width of the registration on the rear fuse and the size of the VL code on the fin please.
VL = 12″
ROYAL NAVY = 8″
Serial = 4″
Very nice, B66! Good to see some positive support. Here’s what an original, recently restored one used to look like….[ATTACH=CONFIG]239174[/ATTACH]
Rich (if, indeed, that is your name and not a pseudonym)
My position? What position is that, then??
You seem to know an awful lot about something you’ve had no involvement in. At all. A lot of supposition about quantities of original versus re manufactured. Based on what? How would you know what the final result will be? Are you any good with predicting next week’s Lottery results, too?
And you’re still ignoring the fact that FAAM property is missing. If you have the keys to your car to someone and then found the car went missing would you just accept that and go out and acquire yourself a new one? Or would you want what was rightfully yours back?
You seem to know of the whereabouts of a replacement tail wheel assembly and tyre, along with an elevator. Can you advise specifically where? And would you be willing to dip into your own pocket and fund their recovery from either a remote hillside somewhere (not necessarily in the UK either)?
Or would you accept the generous offer of having a replacement made at nil cost until such time as either the original one is returned to its rightful owners, or another is sourced?
And finally, do you actually want to see this project fail just so that you can stand back and say ‘I told you so’, or are are you genuinely an aviation enthusiast who wants to support a worthy cause by passing on, at the very least, your very best wishes?
Well said, Bruce. I’d be seriously impressed if the tail plane had been taken apart and put back together with the original rivets. That would be an achievement!
Anyone who has had even an ounce of real involvement in aero engineering knows that no aircraft remains original throughout its existence. It’s just not realistic to expect something to be 100% original. But you can strive for as much originality as possible. As long as those bits don’t mysteriously disappear, of course.
Interestingly you don’t hear the same argument against the Brooklands Wellington where large sections were re-manufactured in order to restore its structural strength. And using the RAFM Dornier as a comparison is a non starter as it isn’t being restored, it is being preserved. Different thing.
They didn’t waste their time with CAD, I’m nothing to do with the museum & I did it free as it was something fun to do, so choose your words carefully, obtain facts before shouting.
And it looks very good! Nice to see some support for the project from a fellow forumite. :applause:
The statement from the FAAM said that the parts were missing. It didn’t apportion blame, and nor should we, or infer that they were trying to suggest that. The statement also suggested that a thorough police investigation had failed to locate them. Which similarly apportions no blame.
So, if you find an elevator and tailwheel by the side of a road somewhere between Barrow and Yeovilton, you know where to send it..
Bruce
Hear hear!
And unless a) the original FAAM property turns up, or b) someone finds replacement items, or c) someone donates replacement parts, then re-manufactured items will be used. If originals become available, I’m sure they will be duly replaced.
If anyone thinks the Barracuda could ever be rebuilt using 100% original condition items then they clearly don’t have an intimate understanding of the project. There are items that cannot be used as they simply do not have the original structural integrity due to corrosion which would leave the structure liable to collapse. Let’s not forget that the parts that were put back together were not exactly heavy sections (such as the main spar area); they were relatively light.
Most ‘reasonably intelligent’ people with a proper aviation engineering background would understand that.
Missing the point again: why are bits missing? They shouldn’t be.
OOps. Historic Flight.
I’d love to visit, but after doing a few weekends at Coventry, family commitments mean I’m driving the other direction this coming weekend and have to behave myself. Seeing as the FAAM like posting press releases on here, why not get a progress shot up?
As for the missing bits – try the other wrecks.
Regards,
Rich
‘Mash up’?
Attend Yeovilton Air Day this Saturday and see for yourself. The boys would be more than happy to show you what work has been done.
Oh….Royal Navy Historic Flight…not Heritage Flight.
Meanwhile…anyone seen a tail oleo and elevator anywhere?
Really showing your ignorance there, Rich. Work isn’t being held up at all. And how do you know just how original the parts are that are being used? Answer is you don’t.
Makes me laugh: Swordfish is nothing to do with FAAM. And it has brand new spars, not original ones.
So, please be informed before passing judgement.
Bottom line – the important one: if anyone has information that could lead to the items identified as ‘missing’ being reunited with their owner then they should make contact with the relevant people as per the Press Release.
In the meantime, how’s about not criticising the guys for being forced to re manufacture the items and actually show some support for the project?
I get it, and I read the press release right the first time – it still reads like a thinly veiled accusation. Its easier to make a replica of something rather than go and find another. How many Barra wrecks are out there? There’s still a few high ground ones with wreckage left and a couple in Norway. Surely there’s an oleo kicking about, its not exactly a lightweight item.
You might want to find yourself a moderators account before making any more ‘suggestions’ about my opinions. You want yours respected, respect mine.
Regards,
Rich
Why would they go get another one when they had (past tense) a perfectly good one to start with, the exact current whereabouts of which has yet to be determined?
Surely, something as large as a Barracuda tail wheel and oleo can’t be that difficult to locate?