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  • in reply to: The 1000 Plane Raid #1337957
    aerovin
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    The three B-17s were:
    B-17G 44-83525 (N83525) from Tallmantz
    B-17G 44-83684 (N3713G) from The Air Museum
    B-17F 42-29782 (N17W) from Aircraft Specialties (air tankers)

    The location filming was done at the airport at Santa Maria, California, in January 1968 and utilized both Tallmantz B-25 camera ships (N1203 and N1042B). They spent a day or two doing some air to air filming, and a day or do doing landing and takeoff shots, and also scenes with the actors around the airplanes.

    Jim Farmer did a great little article about the filming entitled “Santa Maria Diary” that was published in the AAHS Journal back in the 1970s. If someone really wants to know which issue I can look in my files.

    There are also details and photos in the book Final Cut, which also covers other post war films using the B-17.

    in reply to: 14 flying B-17's? #1412128
    aerovin
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    I count eleven operational B-17s and two that are being returned to operational status via maintenance (Texas Raiders and Aluminum Overcast). Also, 21 static display airplanes, 4 being restored, and 6 in storage. Total of 44 complete airframes.

    Check it out at http://www.aerovintage.com/b17loc.htm

    in reply to: Capricorn 1 #1423523
    aerovin
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    And that would be, I believe, Frank Tallman doing the honors.

    in reply to: Wheels up landings on films #1355783
    aerovin
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    I think what Texas Raiders did was a touch-and-go, while what the Tora B-17 did was a landing with an expensive conclusion. Looked good on film, though. That Tora footage was not planned, by the way, just the result of a gear malfunction and an alert film crew who thought to grab the footage.

    in reply to: Catch 22 #1399028
    aerovin
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    17 flyers and one derelict. The derlict was used for the crash scene and for set dressing. Most of the flyers are still around. One was later used for drug running (N1203) and allegedly was lost in Colombia.

    in reply to: The ultimate FLYING B-17 thread!! #1405067
    aerovin
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    Corsair166b,

    Can you please advise me of your source about Richardson’s will regarding N17W because that information is 180 degrees different from my sources.

    Thanks much.

    in reply to: The ultimate FLYING B-17 thread!! #1406099
    aerovin
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    My understanding, based on a number of conversations occurring in the early to mid 1990s with several individuals with the MOF, was that the donation agreement from the Richardson family specified that the museum was NOT to fly the airplane. Whether or not Bob would have wanted it that way, his family did not. The museum tried to keep the airplane airworthy as long as possible, given the restrictions imposed by the FAA airworthiness requirments and excessive insurance costs.

    Since the story keeps surfacing that the museum grounded the airplane contrary to the wishes of the Richardson family, I would sure like to hear the sources for that information or is it just convenient thinking?

    Besides that, if the airplane is to be grounded, where better than the centerpiece display at a major museum at the birthplace of the B-17?

    in reply to: B-17's used in the film "The War Lover" ! #1420653
    aerovin
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    Yeah, but they were going to use the 12 O’clock High footage and I think it was easier to try and blend the MB footage converted to black and white than trying to match the color tints of MB. Depends on what source you quote, but supposedly the tone of the film, the dreariness of the English weather, etc, lent itself to the B&W film. And it does.

    in reply to: B-17's used in the film "The War Lover" ! #1421229
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    Don Lykins and Ed Maloney from the Air Museum flew N3713G (44-83684) for the low-level buzz job at Santa Maria, California, for the 1000 Plane Raid sequence. Tallman was involved with that production with the Tallmantz B-17G, N83525, and Aircraft Specialties with N17W (42-29782).

    Take a look at Final Cut: The Postwar B-17 Flying Fortress for information on all these B-17s (http://www.aerovintage.com/final.htm).

    in reply to: B-25 N1042B #1368632
    aerovin
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    I heartily and impartially recommend a copy of B-25 Mitchell in Civil Service to all those who have such queries. (See also http://www.aerovintage.com)

    Beyond that, though, I can suggest that Tallmantz did a Circlevision 360 project for Walt Disney Co. between January and April 1972 that used N1042B with Frank Pine as the pilot. I think that this is when that photo was taken. The Circlevision camera assembly weighed several hundred pounds and involved eleven cameras filming simultaneously on a mount that lowered from the bomb bay of the bomber. Tallmantz did numerous such projects for Disney in the 1960s and early 1970s.

    As for this airplane wearing combat paint for Catch-22, that’s correct. Both Tallmantz camera ships (N1042B and N1203) had a water based camouflage paint added for the filming, not so much because they were to appear in the flim (though they did) but they had to fit in on the airfield shots. Also, during the filming, if one of the airplanes strayed into the camera view they had to blend in. Frank Pine told me that they mounted (externally) turrets on both airplanes but buffeting from the turrets caused camera shake so they were removed. I viewed the film recently and could not pick out the distinctive camera noses on any of the airplanes in any of the views, so it must have worked out okay.

    I would suggest that one of the most amazing pieces of aviation film ever to show up in a movie was the takeoff sequence in Catch-22. Seventeen B-25s all taking off at the same time. Since there were only 17 B-25s on scene (plus one non-flyer) in Mexico, you know both camera ships are in the background somewhere during the takeoff. Frank told me they did that takeoff numerous times on numerous days, at the same time every day so the lighting would match. It was a real hairy sequence to film, and was one of the few that was as dangerous for real as it appeared on film. The film crew set up behind the massed B-25s was blown several hundred feet downwind when 34 R-2600’s came up to takeoff power, at least for the first take (let’s see, that’s like 68,000 horsepower). Presumably, the learning curve precluded setting the camera up at the same spot for the subsequent takes. In 1980, Mr. Pine recalled that if any of the lead airplanes had lost an engine during any of the massed takeoffs, well, he thought the fire would still be burning eleven years later. I’m sure Mr. Stoney Stonich, who was a copilot on the film and the only veteran of the film I know of who cruises these forums, could add some recollections to these sequences also.

    Tallmantz restored the paint on their two camera ships as soon as they were back in Orange County in mid 1969, but N1203 was replaced within a few years by N9451Z. They provided three B-25s and at least a P-40 for the filming of the only-shown-once Catch-22 TV show pilot, filmed at El Mirage in the desert above L.A. in the late fall of 1972.

    in reply to: Kelly's Heroes #1373678
    aerovin
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    Ah, yes, and don’t forget that Mike Curb went on to become the Lieutenant Governor of California, way before the days of Arnold. Then he sorta dropped below the radar screen, perhaps off a burning bridge.

    in reply to: "Thunderball" B-17?? #1374434
    aerovin
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    That was N809Z flying for Intermountain Aviation, a proprietary company of the CIA. Now marked as N207EV and on display at the Evergreen facility at McMinnville, Oregon. AAF serial is recorded as 44-83785 but more probably is 44-85531. Photos of the configuration with the Fulton Skyhook are published in various books including Final Cut. Interesting story behind the Skyhook project, including its planned use for agent extraction from remote locations.

    in reply to: Incorrect captions #1407217
    aerovin
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    Mark,

    Please direct us to your website so we can assess its accuracy and make appropriate comments.

    Thanks.

    Scott Thompson
    http://www.aerovintage.com

    in reply to: Twelve O'Clock High and Command Decision #1412821
    aerovin
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    The VHS copy I have opens with Stovall finding the Toby in the shop. The ending I have seen but is different than the one on my VHS copy is Stovall returning the Toby to where it had been kept in the Officer’s club, now dusty and derelict, and then riding away on his bike. Good ending, but cut from some versions.

    in reply to: Twelve O'Clock High and Command Decision #1414553
    aerovin
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    The opening and operational scenes of Twelve O’Clock High were filmed at Ozark Field, a closed auxilliary field for Eglin located in southeastern Alabama. This field was reopened later as Ft. Rucker for the U.S. Army.

    One peculiarity for this movie is that there were apparently two versions cut, one shorter for U.S. release and the other a longer one released overseas. There were a few good scenes cut from the shorter version, and I think the ending was changed.

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