My understanding with Bedsheet Bomber is that the U.S. FAA won’t release the civil registration number due to the lack of any bills of sale beyond its 1964 owner of record. Without properly executed bills of sale establishing current ownership, title may be a problem. Be careful that you buy the airplane from someone who actually owns it. The title issue may be determining the selling price. Trying to get the airplane on another country’s civil register may be nearly impossible, as would be changing the ownership of record with the FAA. It would probably work as a static display in a musuem, though.
Nothing witty to contribute, but for those who wondered…its the old USAF Museum B-17G, 44-83624, being moved from the original museum site (at Wright Pat) to the new site in the early 1970s. That B-17 is now at Dover AFB, DL, while “Shoo Shoo Baby” is the display B-17 at Dayton.
Okay, how about:
“You should have seen the really big one that landed here last week.”
Septic,
Thanks much for what you provided. Actually, I’m Scott Thompson and I’ve done some additional research after the B-25 book was completed in 1997. There is much fuzzy stuff with Greg Board but I think Aero Associates was actually his company after he left Aero American in September 1962. I don’t think, at this point, that there was any connection between Aero Associates and Aero American. Aero American was a subsidiary of the American Compressed Steel Corp.
I still have yet to see anything that puts this B-25 in the UK prior to 1963. Like you, I’ve tried to find photos of the B-25 involved in the War Lover filming and have come up empty. The first logged appearances of the B-25 in the UK are in 1963.
Thanks for your help.
Septic,
Thanks much for your reply. Can I ask the source for your purchase information? The U.S. civil register file does not show such a purchase. It was sold to Aero Associates in July 1963 from Hamilton Aircraft, which owned it for one day after purchasing it from Aero American, obviously a tranfer of convenience. The owner of record remains Aero Associates. I can find nothing in either official records nor unofficial ones from that time that shows the airplane was involved. Thanks much.
The BOB cameraship was N6578D (s/n 44-31508) that is currently parked and going derelict at Franklin, Virginia. A photo is posted as a link on the B-25 Locator page at the Aero Vintage site.
Well, Rob, I’ll have to beg to differ about the B-17, as I took photos of that B-17F at about the same time and it was on the Planes of Fame lot. I used one of the photos in Final Cut to illustrate the section on 42-3374 (page 70, revised edition). Tallichet didn’t get his current G (N3703G) until 1986 and the one he had on loan from the Air Force Museum (N47780) was silver while in the YAF collection.
An interesting series of photos, and a good example of what could be seen at Chino in the 1970s.
At least the first shot is of the Planes of Fame lot. The B-17 is B-17F s/n 42-3374 that was traded to the USAF Museum for display first at Beale AFB and now at Offutt AFB as a gate guard. It came from the MGM movie studio and did have B-17E nose glass that was eventually traded to the NASM for use on their B-17D. If my memory serves me, the B-17G nose glass that went on the B-17F when it was at Beale was the actual one off the “Swoose.” I think it was eventually replaced by one in better condition.
Great book, but the line between fiction and non-fiction is, shall we say, difficult to discern.
I can understand being frustrated with a professional airshow commentator not knowing what he is talking about but the tone of these posts seems to be a bit snobbish when referring to others in the crowd. Face it, some folks are just not blessed with our vast and infallible knowledge. I’ve even seen some mistakes in this forum, so some of “them” might be trying to sneak in!
Look for material, including photos, about the Douglas Boston-Havoc UK Preservation Trust located at Leicestershire in the Crowood Book “Douglas Havoc and Boston: The DB-7/A-20 Series” to be available in late June.
That A-20 effort consists mostly A-20G s/n 43-9628 with other material gathered primarily through trades with the RAAF Museum. Mr. Richard Nutt, one of the principals in the Trust, was very helpful in providing material about the restoration effort for the book.
44-85507 was purchased from surplus stocks at Altus, Oklahoma, in June 1947 for $5400 by the Chicago Tribune, and was converted to an executive configuration for use by Robert McCormick, owner of the newspaper. It was flown overseas a number of times. It was sold to the Mark Hurd Mapping Company on June 16, 1952, and was on contract for mapping with the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission when it crashed in Nevada.
The kind of pilot who puts the landing gear control in the up position before beginning his takeoff roll has more dollars than sense. Relying on a small electrical switch to avoid tens of thousands of dollars in damage for no good reason is the height of foolishness. Some guys just don’t belong in cockpits.
And one more….
Attached are two more photos from “Twelve O’Clock High.” As for the B-17 in the bar in Greeley, it wasn’t used in the TV series as far as I can tell. Only two B-17s, 44-83316 and 44-83684, were used, and both exist elsewhere. The history of the B-17 fuselage hanging above the bar has yet to be determined, as far as I know. Its serial remains unknown.
The exteriors for the TV show “Twelve O’Clock High” were filmed at the Chino Airport in Southern California. Some of the old airport buildings used when the airport was Cal Aero field were dressed up as the headquarters area for the 918th Bomb Group. I visited the set back in 1967 when I was just a kid and my dad shot some slides of the set area. Most of those buildings still exist and are still used. Anyone who remembers the series would recognize the buildings. There were also some “Hollywood” props set up, including the front halves of several Quonset huts, a few tents, and other set dressing. The old “Picadilly Lily” (the Air Museum’s B-17G, 44-83684) was also parked at Chino and most of the taxiing and ground shots were done there. There was also the burnt out hulk of B-17G 44-83316 across the airport that was used for the ocassional crash scene.