Golden_Arrowhttp://www.pakobserver.net/200412/0…opstories06.asp
But bosses in the PAC Kamra do very candidly admit that their eyes are still fixed at American F-16s. “To be very honest, there is no fighter jet like F-16 even if it is off old vintage”, said one senior official claiming also that Pak-China’s wonder fighter JF-17 can form the frontline of air defence. Avionics and weapon systems for JF-17 have been selected and they are of Chinese origin. JF-17 will be first Pakistani fighter to have BVR missile system on board. But Pakistani security planners are not solely relying on Chinese avionics, option of integrating weteren systems on the second batch of the JF-17 are open and talks are on with various western manufacturers. Small batch of JF-17 will be produced by end Dec 2006 while the serial production is expected by year 2007. Price tag on JF-17 for PAF will logically be low to the tune of 15 US Million but for the customers it can be higher.
Thanks Yahoo/Star for posting that PAF chose Chinese avionics for the first set of 50 plus FC-1s despite knowing that they are inferior to Western ones. You also disproved your past claims on the Grifo. Good show. 🙂
Golden_ArrowI didnot claim they are going to buy it. I posted because GA claimed H.khan liar for Rafale evaluation issue.
H.Khan posted a piece of news and said that it was from a particular source. I conclusively proved that no such news existed. The man is a liar, period.
Golden_ArrowEven India signing for 126 MIG-29 will not make a difference. this thing is not only tied to money but it involves some thing else. I dont think you are that smart to figure this thing. 😀
Yes, your kind of smarts is beyond the normal adult’s cognitive processes.
Golden_ArrowUS can neither enhance or degrade Nuke program because they are not related. yOu fire one Nuke from indian side and see how many you get in return 😀
I see that your inability to write a logical paragraph, nay a sentence, is congenital.
Golden_ArrowThe difference being I dont deny PAF got done over by the Americans, its you who cant admit to India having the same done to it by the Russians
The difference that you don’t understand is that India and Russia have a wide-ranging partnership wherein a few extra dollars for one system is a price India would gladly pay for getting other systems which most other countries cannot dream to get from Russia or elsewhere, such as the Akulas, the Backfires, help for ATV, Space programs (ICBM? 😉 )
On the other hand, only secret deals that the US has with Pakistan ionvolve how much the latter gives up on it’s sovereignty, honor and dignity.
Answering a simple question will help you understand.
Is the US working to degrade or enhance Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent?
Hint – Kahuta, Khusab etc. :dev2:
Golden_ArrowPT,
In February 2004, we see:
http://www.dawn.com/2004/02/19/nat1.htm
Musharraf rejects N-site inspection
ISLAMABAD, Feb 18: President Gen Pervez Musharraf has said that Pakistan would under no circumstances permit foreign inspectors to enter the country and monitor its nuclear weapons or civil nuclear facilities.
“This is a very sensitive issue … Would any other nuclear power allow its sensitive installations to be inspected? Why should Pakistan be expected to allow anybody to inspect?” he asked in an interview with the Financial Times published on Wednesday.
Exactly Gen. Pervez – Why would any self-respecting nuclear power do such a thing as allowing foreigners in their weapons labs for the sake of a few weapons…
Golden_ArrowDude,
I take it that you are illiterate about your own country’s nuclear program. Here’s a primer:
India, Pakistan and Israel are non-NPT signatories and the IAEA has no mandate to visit their weapons-related nuclear facilities. That is the difference between NPT signatories and the three holdouts. The civilian reactors that these three paid for under IAEA safeguards are the only ones open, like the Chashma-I and II.
By allowing IAEA to inspect enrichment facilities, Pakistan has just scored an own goal.
Post on Pakdef and ask HKhan about this. 😉
Golden_ArrowSince when as letting IAEA inspectors into some of our nuclear facilities the same as letting the Americans in!? Again, you show a remarkable tendency for twisiting words and deceit
Didn’t you read the first link? Am I deceitful or are you dyslexic? Hmmm….
BTW, since we are talking about gullibility on the other thread, if you believe that the IAEA folks are there just to “test”, I have this bridge over Thames that I’d like to sell you :diablo: :dev2:
Golden_ArrowI will take his word over yours anyday!
And doesn’t it show 😀
Golden_ArrowYou can look it up, a few years back the Russians first told India they would not sell Pakistan the choppers. Then they said they would only sell them for civlian purposes.
The next thing you know we have a picture of the SSG roping down from some MI-17s
If you seriously think the Russians did not pull a fast one on you, then you are almost naive as the Indian MOD! 😀
In other words, you ain’t got the proof for your claim. 😀
BTW, I find it amusing that I’m hearing about gullibility from Mr. PAF “I paid millions for F-16s but got soyebans in return” Thunder
Golden_ArrowPosted on Pakdef, cant vouch for its validity, but interesting never the less
*PAF has embarked on advance training courses on all active and inactive pilots of F-16s with USAF.
*In the second batch, an AC & GC were given detailed briefing on F-16 E/F Block 60.
*The US has given clearance for PAF to send 70+ pilots on 3-5 years deputation to UAE AF to help them fly their F-16. This group of pilots will be under the command of an AC of PAF.
*The JF-17 and Grifo-M upgraded Mirages will carry H-2 and H-4 BVRAAM. The H-2 missile has range of 32 miles and H-4 missile has a range of 65 miles. The H-4 has a lot of help from South Africa and PAF will also integrate H-2 into F-7PG.
*PAF will most likely buy both Erieye and E-2C AEW &C.
*Mirage-2000 has been more or less dropped from the potential list of future fighters. Main runner are newer F-16, J-10, Gripen and Rafale.
H.Khan, the man who was proven to be a liar, is hallucinating again
Golden_Arrowhttp://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1914/19141160.htm
New Delhi wants total and blind support from Moscow on its dispute with Pakistan; at the same time it allows Washington to be the sole arbiter for the region. Russian officials are unhappy with the way certain sections in India reacted to the sale of Russian civilian helicopters to Pakistan. They said the Mi-171 helicopters were meant only for civilian use and a written commitment was received from the Pakistan Defence Ministry that the aircraft would not be used for military purposes. The same helicopters were first offered to India. But these days India prefers to trust Israeli as well as Western weaponry and military expertise
I see you cannot read.
I asked for:
1. On the record, not anonymous claims
2. Claims by Russian officials that they WILL NOT sell a system to a given nation
And you post quotes from anonymous officials AFTER a sale has been made.
Your ability to believe what suits you is amazing. 😀
Golden_ArrowPAF Thunder,
I never post anything that I cannot back up, unlike your claims on Mi-35s and others that you base on wishful thinking.
I take it that you really don’t mind the large FBI, DIA, other alphabet soup US organizations being allowed by your leaders to arrest any Pakistani and deport him at will? Unlike that, almost all other nations would decline any foreign aid rather than compromise their dignity and sovereignty.
Coming to the nuclear thing – do you really think that the US believed Musharraf’s cockamamie attempt to blame all the nuclear proliferation on A.Q.Khan because of his sincerity? 😀
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11498606%255E31501,00.html
the US pressured Pakistan – the Muslim country most advanced in nuclear weaponry and the one in closest contact with Islamic fundamentalism – into permitting US soldiers dressed as civilians to place a guard on its nuclear stockpile.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A13264-2004Nov25?language=printer
The IAEA has been investigating Iran for two years and has found numerous sites, equipment and work that should have been reported to the agency as part of Iran’s obligations to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
But in a report to the board that was discussed yesterday in Vienna, ElBaradei made it clear that his inspectors have not found any evidence of a nuclear weapons program. Two outstanding issues surrounding equipment Iran bought on a nuclear black market may become clearer, ElBaradei said, now that Pakistan has agreed to allow his inspectors limited access to facilities there.
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20041125-102445-7448r.htm
Mr. Elbaradei said Pakistan gave the agency approval in principle to inspect some of its nuclear equipment to test contentions by Tehran that enriched uranium inadvertently was imported on components from that country brought on the nuclear black market.
Golden_ArrowNo denying that at all, the US are not giving Pakistan weapons out of the kindness of there heart, but at least they are not making us pay through the nose, if you ask me India has not been very skillful in negotiating with the Russians and trying to push them down on price….
I’d say that certain countries put a great value at their sovereignty, especially regarding foreign nations scanning every visitor into their homeland, foreign law-enforcement agencies operating freely, having access to nuclear facilities etc.
Some nations make money, use that cash and buy what they need. Others trade in their sovereignty for favors 😉
Golden_Arrowmy sources are very deep. (incase of Russia it has every thing to do with that country.I also know that China is producing alternative engine and go ahead of it was given in April 2001.
You mean your sources are off the deep end?
PAF Thunder,
Russians could just be saying stuff to keep Indians quiet before Putins visit, then quietly crack on with supplying engine, they use the tactic often and it always seems to work….
Often use? Examples please.
Show us a situation where the Russians officially said (on the record) that they will not give System X to Country Y and then gave it.
Show us links, dates and names.
That is if you can 😉
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