let me guess you are one of the guys who still believes the fc-1 is a myth :D. You still dont understand he. first 50 with chinese avionics/electronics for speeding up proces, evaluatig the new possibilities which have entered the “market” after sanctions where lifted. Your reasoning is low and only meant for flames, so Yahoo dont take his invetations any more.

Wow, you can read people’s minds? :rolleyes:

So you are saying that they are accepting radar and avionics that tyhey don’t really like but just put in something to speed up the process. That’s not different to what I’m saying.

BTW, could it not be likely that a Grifo-S7 or an RC-400 plus Western avionics would have made the cost more than the under $20 million quoted?

Also, Grifo and Thales were been there to work with since two years ago. Grifo even made you a radar for the FC-1 didn’t it, as was noted in the same article.

Essentially, it seems clear that PAF accepted less than what it wanted just to meet timelines. That’s what you’re saying.

Mods, Golden Arrow is totally not intrested in the subject. If I say the same about LCA then the topic is editted but somehow Chinese or Pakistani topics are allowed to be discriminated. Let is be fair. Compared with LCA the FC1 is much more in the news. Within a few years there will be production planes. And looking at the past they increased development very fast. From paper plane to flying example was extremely fast. What the exact reasons are is not clear but speading up further is probably the motto. Some Indian posters just cannot handle the fact that their LCA isn’t fast. So they start to… Isn’t is strange that Indian post negative topics about pakistan and they are ruling this forum for past few days? Well. Google? Don’t you even try to be fair here?

Don’t bring up other planes. This is a thread about FC-1’s avionics and radar.

He has done that on almost every Pakistani thread, be it selective misqouting or plan lying. Unfortunately there are no rules against such manipulation.
The tactic , like that of a few other posters, seems to be to come into a Pakistani thread, use selective or imaginayr qoutes to disprove or mock someone then start flaming.

I challenge you to PROVE your claim that I lied. Either prove it or let it be known that you don’t have the auqaat to face facts.

Mods,

This is an unwarranted personal attack.

two years or now only Airforce official evaluated it. So if they say so it means that it is good now. At that time only PAF give the opinion and this time only PAF gave opinion. So your views does not even matter because only they are the evidence.

So in June 2004 your #2 man did not want Chinese stuff, what about that dude? 😀

Hint -> If you are in a hole – Stop digging 🙂

Why AFM is not reputable source. where they are clearly saying now that it meets our requirement or these are the words of some body else?

It’s not AFM man, its your guy. What he said is what he said. I can have a Mali Air Force chief saying his planes are super-duper, but without independent reporting its BS until proven otherwise.

Your guy said Chinese tech was crap two years ago but okay now. So what has changed? Care to share?

I like your 2 year logic which you keep repeating. Did they mentioned any percentage of capabilities achieved versus the year? Like 50% in 1998 and 80% in 2002. when later in 2004 they said that they are impressed and satisfied with the progress. So in 2005 it will be 100% according to specification. You have one point just repeating without having any data to backup.

What data dude?

You keep BSing about 2 years from 2004 = 1998. I don’t have any such voodoo data.

In 2002 it wasn’t good enough. He clearly said he was “not impressed.” That doesn’t sound like an 80% satisfaction to me.

You pull this % satisfaction out of somewhere now that your BS claims on 2002, Russian tech and others have come to naught.

Now try again. In 2002, PAF thought Chinese avionics sucked. In 2004 they accepted it. What has changed?

Don’t give me the BS that “WE accepted it so it must have changed.” :rolleyes:

Post reports from JAne’s or reputable sources.

BTW, you yourself posted 2 reports on FC-1 from Jane’s and deny that there are any such reports? How idiotic is that!

You better see this. after 1998 sanctions they went on tour. there is no mention of 2002.

See What?

I’m not sure what you want to show me, but to most normal human beings, if a person says “two years ago” in year X, it usually means he is referring to the year X-2 😮