Golden Arrow
The PAF now say that teh latest Chinese avionics meet their requirments, they were going to fit an Italian or French design and now the first 50 will have a Chinese radar.

Considering the fact that you know almost NOTHING about the capabilities of the radar being fitted, please explain your statement

Considering the fact that you have in the past pointed out that WEstern avionics is better, I find this claim amusing.

I know that PAF itself has said that it did not like Chinese avionics in the past. Here is a quote from June AFM from FC-1 project chief Shahid Lateef.

Two years ago were were still not hopeful of a resolution to our avionics problems and the Chinese could not meet our requirements. We had worked with GEC Marconi, Thomson CSF (now Thales) and SAGEM as the Chinese could not match our needs, and we were finalising requirements when the sanctions bit in (after nuclear testing). So we went on a tour of Chinese factories that were building the J-10 to look at their avionics, but we were not impressed.

Lateef also said PAF is looking for a Western radar and Chinese radars were well behind Western tech. There you have the PAF itself clearly stating – 3 times in a paragraph, that they desperately want Western avionics and radar and Chinese stuff ain’t good.

Now, I’m personally not claiming that the Chinese avonics are automatically bad because it is made in China. But I’m pointing out that it is the Pakistani project chief himself who thought so.

Can anyone tell me why Lateef would trash the people making his aircraft 3 times in 3 sentences if he thought highly of their ability to make superior radar and avionics?

But what I find amusing here is that people of a certain nationality, have made pompous claims of getting “advanced” Western radars and avionics and now scurry to post inanities once that claim has gone the way of the dodo.

So you agree that the PAF FC-1s will not have Western radars or avionics for a long time. Interesting.

Nope Yahoo. Nov AFM report on IDEAS quotes PAF officials as saying that the first 50 JF-17s will have Chinese radar and Chinese avionics. Radar will be a derivative of the J-10s multimode radar.

Pop goes the weasel and the weasel goes pop, as they say 😉

Nuclear Black-Market Elimination Act (Introduced in House)

HR 4965 IH

108th CONGRESS

2d Session

H. R. 4965
To impose sanctions on foreign entities that engage in certain nuclear proliferation activities, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

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SEC. 208. LIMITATION ON AIRCRAFT TRANSFERS.

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the United States may not transfer any excess defense article that is an aircraft to any country that has not provided written assurances to the United States that it will support and assist efforts by the United States to interdict items of proliferation concern.

TITLE III–ROLLBACK OF KHAN NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION NETWORK

SEC. 301. COOPERATION OF PAKISTAN.

(a) Limitation- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the President may not provide, in any fiscal year, more than 75 percent of United States assistance to Pakistan unless the President determines and certifies to the appropriate congressional committees that Pakistan–

(1) has verifiably halted any cooperation with any state in the development of nuclear or missile technology, material, or equipment, or any other technology, material, or equipment that is useful for the development of weapons of mass destruction, including exports of such technology, material, or equipment; and

(2) is fully sharing with the United States all information relevant to the A.Q. Khan proliferation network, and has provided full access to A.Q. Khan and his associates and any documentation, declarations, affidavits, or other material that bears upon their proliferation network activities and contacts.

(b) Waiver-

(1) AUTHORITY- The President may waive the requirements of subsection (a) in a fiscal year if–

(A) the President has certified to the appropriate congressional committees that–

(i) the waiver is in the vital interest of the national security of the United States;

(ii) the waiver will promote Pakistan’s cooperation in achieving the conditions set forth in paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a); and

(iii) Pakistan’s lack of cooperation is not significantly hindering efforts of the United States to investigate and eliminate the Khan proliferation network and any successor networks; and

(B) 30 days have elapsed since making the certification under subparagraph (A).

(2) BRIEFING- Within 5 days after making a certification under paragraph (1), the Secretary of State shall brief the appropriate congressional committees on the degree to which Pakistan has or has not satisfied the conditions set forth in paragraphs (1) and (2) of subsection (a)(1).

(3) LIMITATION- The waiver authority under paragraph (1) may not be exercised in two successive fiscal years.

EDIT BY MOD:
Next post by Golden_Arrow added, to wrap it all up.

The full bill can be seet at:

http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr4965.html

That is intresting indeed. But as I can tell… Khan is metallurgic specialist and knows only about spinning centrifuges. Nothing about nuclear weapons. Asking him will not make it clearer. At the same moment some atomic engineers from India are blaimed to have interacted with Iran. Anyway. The good thing is that nuclear is up in the agenda and everyone will have to stop spreading of these dangerous weapons.

About terrorist. Musharraf will be a happy man to end the conflict with India. Kashmir is enough headache without those arabs that blow up bombs in Sunni or Shia mosques. The stopping of attacks on Chinese people in Pakistan is top agenda for Pakistan. It is almost a spit in their face. China is seen as pretty reliable and close friend. They will kill those terrorist with smile on their face. Not to make US or others happy. The US forced the terrorist in to Pakistan. Now Pakistan is attcking them they are slowly moved to the big cities. Hence the bombs there. Pakistan is set to be moderate and more prosperous. There is no place for terrorist.

Comparing AQ Khan to the two Indian scientists is like comparing a serial killer to a traffic signal violator :rolleyes:

Metallurgist or metamucil maker, Khan knows all secrets about how Pakistan sold nuclear secrets to many nations and how it obtained the tech from China and elsewhere. Asking him under the right circumstances 😉 will make everything come out, to be used for a later day.

Why do you think the U.S Congress has passed 1 law and have 2 pending bills on having more access to A.Q.Khan, if the man knows nothing? Besides, if he knows nothing, why doesn’t Musharraf make him avaliable?

Anyway, let’s see. I’m sure if any administration wants it can give anything to any nation. But remember that the Pressler Amendment did not stop aid to Pakistan. It was the President’s refusal to give certification that did.

Congress is likely to talk about a law blocking the transfer. The administration will balk. Congress will go for a compromise asking for President’s certification. Transfers will happen for a while until Pakistan runs out of stored terrorists. Then….

http://www.hindu.com/2004/10/14/stories/2004101406141200.htm

Russia building nuclear submarines for India

By Vladimir Radyuhin

MOSCOW, OCT. 13. Russia is building two nuclear submarines for the Indian Navy, a leading business daily here reported.

The construction of two unfinished nuclear submarines of Project 971 resumed this month at the Amur Shipyards in Komsomolsk-on-the-Amur, the Kommersant newspaper said. The building of the submarines was suspended several years ago due to lack of funds.

Under an agreement with Russia, India will lease the two submarines and will provide money to enable the Amur Shipyards to complete their construction. According to the report, India has already made an advance payment of $100 million on the contract worth $1.6 billion to $1.7 billion. Even though there are no international restrictions on the sale of nuclear submarines to India, the Defence Ministers emphatically denied they had as much as discussed the deal during their meeting in Delhi in January.

Improved version

The Project 971 improved version of Akula-II class submarine is a far more formidable man of war than a Charlie-class nuclear submarine India leased from Russia in 1988-1991.

Akula-II is the most advanced Russian nuclear attack submarine that is comparable to the U.S. Sea Wolf and modernised Los Angeles-class submarines. It features an Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) which enables the 12,770-tonne vessel to remain underwater for three months.

The Russian Navy’s Project 971 submarines are equipped with 28 cruise missiles each armed with nuclear or conventional warheads with a striking range of 3,000 km.

However, the Indian version is expected to be armed with the 300-km Club nuclear-capable missiles already installed on the Krivak-class frigates and Kilo-class diesel submarines Russia has built for India.

Experts said the two submarines would strengthen India’s naval might and advance India’s indigenous nuclear submarine programme.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=446044

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia Explore Joint Ventures

By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, ISLAMABAD

Pakistan on Oct. 11 explored the possibilities of joint ventures with Saudi Arabia in arms production including missiles and tanks, its defence ministry said.

Saudi assistant minister of defence Prince Khalid bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz led his delegation into talks with Pakistani defence minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal, a statement said.

“Pakistan and the kingdom of Saudi Arabia have underscored the need of enhancing military cooperation between the two brotherly countries,” it said.

A senior Pakistani defence production ministry official briefed the Saudi delegation on ways “to undertake a joint venture” in the production of arms and ammunition, armored fighting vehicles, missiles, and tanks.

Pakistan will hand over Al-Khalid tanks to Saudi army next year, additional secretary major general Ali Baz said at the briefing.

Pakistan’s army last month inducted a new locally-made tank, after four years in development with Chinese assistance.

Pakistan and China agreed in 1990 to jointly develop the new tank, according to the Washington-based Federation of American Scientists (FAS). The Al-Khalid MBT 2000 tank features a recently-developed thermal viewer system to improve nocturnal fighting capability and a Ukrainian-manufactured engine, FAS said on its Web site.

“Both sides agreed to hold joint military exercised between the armed forces of the two countries,” the statement added.

Riyadh and Islamabad, both fighting Islamist extremists, have close ties and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf is a frequent visitor to the kingdom.

Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz visited Islamabad last October.

What happened to the previous thread?