GD or someone else who can translate Chinese,

Can you please post the highlights of the Chinese article posted in Post 382

I think the FC-1 is in an interesting stage. The development team has done a good job so far and have addressed many critics’ points. The RD-93 seems to be settled. Avionics and radar is in a bit of a doubt.

Thanks

The following report seems to indicate that the PAF has finalized a deal with Gripen International and only needs governmental clearance.

60 Gripens @ $45 million each = $2.7 Billion deal

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/jul2004-daily/05-07-2004/main/main3.htm

PAF trying to induct 60 Gripen jets into fleet

By Mayed Ali

LAHORE: Through a deal thought to cost around Rs 156.6 billion, the Pakistan Airforce (PAF) is trying to induct 60 state-of-the-art jetfighters, Gripen (JAS-39), with the manufacturers, Gripen International – the conglomeration of Saab AB and BAE Systems.

These air-superiority combat aircrafts, come at a price-tag of $45 million (Rs 2.61 billion), and are considered the best overall bet in that category. The final delivery of planes to PAF, is expected within three years. The PAF and Saab Scania have already negotiated the deal. However, a final agreement between the Pakistan government and Gripen International is expected to be signed in a month or so, as the Saab AB awaits a green signal from the Swedish Government. President Pervez Musharraf’s visit to Sweden has assumed even greater significance against this backdrop. It is believed that the fate of the agreement will be decided if President Musharraf succeeds in convincing the Swedish and British governments to give a go-ahead nod to Gripen International. Pakistan also intends to purchase Airborne Early Warning planes, Argus, from Saab Scania as well.

The deal, should it materialise, will give the PAF an instant cushion of one squadron of Gripen within six months, and additional aircrafts at regular intervals. These aircrafts will on lease to Pakistan as a part of the aggressive marketing and innovative financing campaign of the Gripen International, until the deal’s completion. The squadrons will include twin-seat trainer aircrafts as well. The entire package will include the transfer of technology, besides sharing of latest research and consequential upgrades.

It is learnt the Gripen International has assured the PAF the delivery of aircrafts, the transfer of technology and upgrade programmes would not be hindered by any kind of sanctions except for the UN. The deal can, however, be dampened in case the US tries to influence both the governments not to allow the Gripen International to sell the fighters to Pakistan.

The Gripen is a frontline multirole, swingrole aircraft, and is considered a match for any sophisticated fourth-generation combat aircraft. Having a Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC) system powered by Volvo RM12 engine, Gripen can attain a maximum speed of Mach 2. The aircraft has a digital fly-by-wire flight control system, which further enhances its manoeuvrability – an optimum agility at all speeds and altitudes. It has an established performance of flying supersonic at all altitude. Gripen can get airborne within a short span of one minute (scramble to take-off time). It can reach 50,000 feet (Maximum service ceiling) from standstill in just three minutes. The Hand on Throttle and Stick (HOTAS) control further ensures the best performance of the aircraft at stress times.

With a sophisticated computerised modern functional and weapon control system, Gripen is equipped with air-to-air, air-to-ground and air-to-sea operational capability. The platform is also capable of carrying out reconnaissance missions during peace and wartimes. The latest, hitech avionics enables the Gripen pilot to have a `look down-shoot down’ prowess. It is fitted with an Ericsson Radar, which can detect and lock-on multiple long-range targets. The aircraft can cage and shoot multiple targets at beyond visual range (BVR). The fighter can take on the hostile platform over 130 kilometres away.

In addition to this, the integrated datalink capability eases the burden on the pilot as information on all land, air and sea targets is available to all airborne, ground and sea platforms. That is, if a Gripen is flying over Kahuta and another is patrolling the shores of the country, both the platforms will share the data on targets through coloured multifunction displays (MFDs) in the cockpit.

This data will be shared by all ground and sea surveillance points as well. This is a state-of-the-art system, and matches the US equivalent JTIDS (Joint Tactical Information Display System). This system is generally called the Quick Reaction Alerts (QRA), and gives the fighter an edge in Combat Air Strike (CAS) and Combat Air Patrol (CAP) operations, besides reconnaissance.

Through this system, any aggressor in the air, land or sea can be engaged from the nearest facility on the ground, sea or in the air. This capability gets a prime support from Swedish Airborne Early Warning (AEW) platforms, S-100B Argus (SAAB 340B AEW). Pakistan is also looking for the purchase of some of these aircrafts for fully utilising the defence capability of Gripen. With this edge, Gripen’s low visual radar and infra-red signature makes it a safe platform in the air, having an edge over the enemy.

We have a nation in our neighbourhood that fools its public by making “home made” movies of its bravery on the battlefield,because they are unable to do that in a real battle scenario.

Why would someone make fake footage of killings?

As for “Generals who run away from battlefield by dislodging nurses”….any credible source to prove that?

I provided u info about ur BOLLYWOOD army through ur own sources 🙂

Lets keep this formal. :rolleyes:

You want sources? Heard of Hamoodur Rehman Commission report?

Anway, here’s a Pakistani columnist talking about one of the “brave” Generals who was mentioned in the HRC report.

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/20010323.htm

But why dwell on a single scandal? Can anything be more graphic than the strictures against many army high-ups, some of them still living and enjoying good health, in the Hamoodur Rahman Report? But none of this damning criticism seems to have harmed anyone. My admiration in this respect goes out specially to Maj-Gen Rahim Khan, a divisional commander in East Pakistan and later, after we had washed our hands off the eastern wing, secretary-general, defence ministry.

What comes out clearly in the Hamood Report is that at a critical moment he virtually deserted his command, preferring the relative safety of Dhaka to the uncertainty of fighting. 😀 😀 In Siddiq Salik’s “Witness to Surrender” another aspect of the general’s gallantry is also revealed. In the final moments leading up to the fall of Dhaka, Rahim off-loaded a batch of army nurses as they were about to be flown by helicopter to Burma and got in himself. Obviously not a man to be underestimated. 😀 😀

The relevant part is in the Chapter 3 of the HRC report. To quote:

In the light of the information now available we now consider that Maj Gen Rahim Khan, GOC 39 (ad hoc) Division, should be tried by a court martial on the following charges:

(i) That he displayed shameful cowardice and undue regard for his personal safety in seeking, and obtaining, permission from the Eastern Command to abandon his Division and vacate his Divisional Headquarters from Chandpur on the 8th of December 1971, simply because Chandpur was threatened by the enemy, with the result that he deserted his troops and his area of responsibility in the middle of the war with India;

(ii) That by his wilful insistence on moving by day against competent advise, owing to fear of Mukti Bahini, caused the death of fourteen Naval ratings and four officers of his own HQ, besides injuries to several others.

(iii) That in his anxiety to get away from Chandpur, he willfully abandoned valuable signal equipment with the result that the communication system of the Division disintegrated and his subordinate commanders and troops were left to their own fate;

(iv) That he on the 12th of December, 1971, by word of mouth, caused alarm and despondency by General Niazi, Jamshed and Farman Ali that “it is all over , let us call it a day”‘ and that the Mukti Bahini might resort to massacre’

(v) That he willfully avoided submitting a debriefing report to GHQ, on being specially evacuated to Pakistan in early 1971, so as to conceal the circumstances of his desertion from his Div HQ at Chandpur with the consequence that the authorities were persuaded to appoint hi as Chief of the General Staff without any knowledge of his performance in East Pakistan.

Maj.Gen.Rahim, instead of courtmartialed, was promoted to Chief of General Staff and got a cushy retirement.

I have the list of many other Generals from the HRC report like Brig. G.M. Baqir Siddiqui, former COS, Eastern Command, Dacca , Maj Gen Mohammad Jamshed, ex-JOC 36 (ad hoc) Division, Dacca etc.

Not one of them was punished. Guys who lost Siachen for Pakistan were not punished. Here’s a Pakistani army officer in Dawn.

http://www.dawn.com/2003/07/19/letted.htm#5

The writer has aptly pointed out the total lack of professionalism of our generals, past and present. It is ironic that in Pakistan the generals are handsomely rewarded after military debacles. Examples abound but some are very glaring.

In 1987 a general lost the post in Siachen, he was temporarily removed from command but later promoted as Lieutenant-General. Afterwards he was posted to Turkey on a lucrative appointment. A corps commander bungled the operation in 90/91 in Siachen. The casualties were very high, including that of a promising brigadier. He survived unscathed. He pretended that he didn’t know about the operation.

In 1971 two brigadiers took massive beating from the enemy in Rahimyar Khan-Reti Sector, their battalions virtually broke but afterwards both were rewarded; one rose to become a lieutenant general and the other was made a joint secretary in the cabinet division. And who can forget the great general who left his troops in the forward defended localities in Chandpur (East Pakistan) Sector while the battle was still raging, fled to Burma by a helicopter after off-loading a nurse? Back in Pakistan being a good friend of Gul Hasan, he became chief of the general staff and on retirement was well looked after. The irony is that Niazi was never court-martialled, why should others be?

LT-COL (RETD) SAFIR A. SIDDIQUI

Bad apples exist everywhere. But in your land, they get promotions for being cowardly or incompetent or both. In other places, they get the boot.

Now that you have learnt about your nation’s army, stop flaming and get to posting decent stuff.

Can we please stop this d1ck measuring contest and focus on the thread topic?

Again, I’d like to see the actual link for that Forecast international news report.

Thanks

Here’s a snippet from the April issue of India’s Force Magazine.

India is reviving the development of an indigenous Airborne Early Warning And Control System (AEWACS), which it had abandoned in 1999. “We have submitted a proposal to build an AEWACS with a next-generation active phased-array radar installed on a smaller aircraft, unlike the rotating antenna in the earlier Airborne Surveillance Platform (ASP),” said K.U. Limaye, director, Centre for Air Borne Systems (CABS). Limaye, who is also Director of the Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (LRDE) of the state-owned Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO), added that the airborne radar could be integrated on a Brazilian Embraer 145 aircraft.

The new AEWACS’ mission avionics and sensors will be integrated via a dual MIL-STD 1533B digital databus, with software program*mes providing tactical aids, cues and alerts. The mission system will provide automatic radar control, automatic detection and track initia*tion, reduced false alarms, improved track continuity, sensor and databus fusion and modern communications management. It will also provide adaptive tracking performance, fast track update rate, reliable local situation display and computer-assisted decisions.

The LRDE-developed roof-mounted radar will be an active phased-array, pulse compression, Doppler radar operating in the S-band. The fixed antenna, with extremely low sidelobe levels, will comprise 200 transmitter/receiver modules mounted on top of the aircraft’s fuselage. The best range performance will be achieved in a 150 degree sector sideways, with the performance reduced in forward and aft direc*tions outside of this sector. The instrumented range will be 243nm and the typical detection range for a combat aircraft-sized contact will be 190nm. The radar’s electronically scanning beam will be controlled by an au*tomatic and intelligent energy management system which will optimise the beam position and compared to conventional, rotodome solu*tions, will provide quicker detection verification, increased track*ing range, and improved tracking performance even for highly manoeuvring targets.

It may be recalled that the air force and the navy both became convinced in the early 1980s that an AEW&C capability would be an essential pre-requisite for any future air war to be fought over the sub-continent’s skies. Drawing valuable lessons from the Falklands war and the Israeli-Syrian air war over the Bekaa Valley in 1982, the DRDO along with the air force and navy, initiated the Airspace Surveillance, Warning and Control (ASWAC) project in 1986 under which the following were to be developed:
• The ASP equipped with rotodome-mounted radar and related mission sensors, by CABS and the air force’s Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE).
• The ASP’s radar by the LRDE.
• The on-board mission sensors and their display and processing equipment.
• The ASP’s integration to the country’s existing Air Defence Ground Environment System (ADGES).

Work on the ASP’s Technology Demonstrator (TD) began in earnest and the first flight of the TD, an Avro HS-748 twin-turboprop aircraft equipped with a rotodome fabricated by BAE Systems, took place in November 1991 at the ASTE’s Bangalore facility. By 1994, the LRDE and state-owned Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL) had completed development and fabrication of the ASP’s radar and related electronics and a fresh round of technology evaluation and flight testing got underway, following a funding of Rs 250 million from the DRDO. By mid-1996, work on most aspects of the ASWAC project had been completed, and the LRDE radar demonstrated an effective range of 300km when called upon to detect a low-flying target cruising at Mach 1.5 speed. However, the sole ASP TD perished in a fatal crash at Arrakonam near Chennai in January 1999, killing eight personnel, and the ASWAC project was consequently put on hold.