So AVM Latif is essentially saying that the Russian defence minister is a liar and news based on his statements “have no basis.” LOL.

The good news for India is that this confirms the Pak is dependent on the suppky of RD-93s and it essentially makes sure that if the RD-93 is cutoff, the PAF FC-1 is toast for a while. The rumors of a Chinese clone are gone as well.

With the IPR deal with Russia underway, I guess all it would take to press Ivan to lean on China is an Indian deal for a few billions.

Austin,

The “Sagarika” program’s secret is not the missile itself but what other “assets” are going to come out of the program. DRDO folks are told not to talk about it for the fear of losing their jobs but the RM and CNS seem to be loose with the info.

When the real info comes out, people are going to forget the Sagarika missile itself, for there are other things that are more significant. One such thing – think of where the missile will be launched from and what it will carry 🙂

When the full details of Sagarika are released, people will be pleasantly surprised/shocked, depending upon their preferences. It will give India a true second strike ability – against any adversary, near or faaaaaaaaaaaaaar. I wish I could post some info on it.

yet u seem utterly obsessed about us.

Hey what can I say, every one can use fans, even BS artists. 🙂

You are correct there did appear to be a contradiction in what the two men had said

Thank you for acknowledging the obvious.

What AVM Marshal was saying and I should have expanded on it, was that the PAF would never go with a Chinese fighter with chinese avionics that they suggest,ie never buy one without any of the PAF’s westernised ideas in it.

PAF’s Westernised ideas? 😀 What is that? Change the name? A system is either Western or not. Your guy says he will not accept Chinese stuff. But all of a sudden the Chinese system becomes great because PAF put some “ideas” into it? 😀 If PAF had the ability to instantly improve aircarft subsystems then why go for a cheap Chinese plane? They might as well take an F-7, apply their “Westernised ideas” and make it into an F-22, no?

This is getting hilarious by the post. Seems to me that your guys settled for a cheap solution knowing fully well that it’s not going to cut it and are now spinning the choice. Khattae angoor?

So lets get this straight here you are – obviously of Indian origin – on PAF thread trying your best to put down anything they are doing / saying – and you acuse other people of having a complex?

I thought you held PAF brass and project directors to higher standards. Are you now saying they are of the same level as anonymous internet posters? 🙂

I post on various forums and threads on many countries. But your Air Marshals cannot seem to conduct a press conference without gratuitous boastful comparisons with India. What’s up with that?

Give me the precise words from the article where it says what u r claiming, i.e. AVM said PAF found Chinese avionics crappy and that PAF will only go for Western stuff.
BTW since we talking of claims, would u like to share with us your source of information regarding significant (now that we know wot u mean by serious/significant) intake changes in FC-1? 🙂

That article has been posted here many, many times. If you don’t have the aukaat to go and use a simple search button, it’s not my problem.

Yet the initial batch JF-17 production is starting this year. Do u have an explanation for all this?

Yes. The Air Marshal is blustering, like his ilk is wont to.

Since I’ve answered your questions many times, it’s your turn now. Without posing a question, answer this:

1. What specific design/manufacturing contribution do you know was made by Pakistan to the FC-1 project.

Unless you answer this question in a separate post, I’m not going to waste my time with you.

GA
What is your definition of serious or significant?

Something like, say design and development of atleast a few subsystems, design of previously unavailable components/technology, new material, etc.

It was sometime back in 2004 when we learnt that PAF had already chosen a chinese avionics package (including a radar) for first 50 or so JF-17. Dont tell us u didn’t know that?

The same ones they said were unsatisfactory and will be replaced with Western systems. I guess unsatisfactory rechnology is still better than the IAF’s BVR capability :p

BTW, what’s your opinion regarding PAC charman and JF-17 project director’s latest statements that ‘The small batch production of JF-17 would begin in the second half of this year’ and that ‘The first four JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft are expected to be introduced into the air force some time in 2006‘? Is all this happening in the absence of an engine?

I never said that there was a lack of an engine. My position is that if PAF had some foresight, it would not plump for the RD-93. But hey, if you think unsatisfactory BVR is great, then nothing is beyond you.