LHR was a major European gateway for BOS, JFK, MIA, IAD, ORD, SEA, SFO & LAX. Onward eastbound was serviced by PA002. (PA001/002 was basically JFK to LAX and back – but the LONG way round. Notable stops being Istanbul, Tehran, Beirut, Delhi, Bangkok, and Hong Kong.)
Interestingly,a hangover from WWll was that Lufthansa could not operate into Berlin (I think I have that correct). Pan Am operated what was essentialy a feeder airline called the Internal German Service (I.G.S.) operating 727’s based in Berlin or possibly FRA. They operated all over Europe connecting through LHR.
Well, it was many years ago now and we all knew at the time that the USS Vincennes (sp?) disaster in the Persian Gulf would trigger a revenge attack on the U.S. and that it would probably be taken on PAA or TWA in Europe or possibly NWO in Asia. It was only a matter of time.
In the States, with the massive loss of life, first in Kansas City and then in NYC; Lockerbie has paled by comparison. But, they must never be forgotten.
Jethro:
Us too! We also flew on the ‘Maid’ operating PA 103. Our Purser for that flight was a friend of my Wife’s. She was killed on that fateful day just three weeks later.
PA’s London base was a tight-knit and friendly group. Many of the PA Flight Attendants, Passenger and Ground Crews remain at LHR with UAL to this day.
Steve:
It seems unlikely that Pan Am would register their second Jumbo as N747PA. More likely Clipper America was renamed Juan T. Trippe. I remember on my one and only flight on the Trippe (PA002 ex LHR – BKK) much was made about it being Pan Am’s first, or at least oldest, 747.
Just a guess.
Tim.
N747PA
I don’t want to start another thread but what ever happened to the first 747 – I think it was Pan Am’s “Clipper Juan Trippe”, N747PA. Hopefully it is in some museum and not the AZ desert.
Originally posted by greekdude1
Any idea why you had to stop for fuel, seeing as they normally don’t do this? Were headwinds very strong that night?
A complicated balancing act between payload (pax + cargo) and range. I understand that in the southern summer (peak period) months the headwinds can be outside of the envelope with a heavy load. Fiji (Nadi) has reasonable landing fees but it adds at least 90 minutes to the already long flight and they don’t let you off to stretch your legs.
A side note: Did you read that Singapore Airlines has started LAX – SIN non-stop at +/- 19 Hours. The A340 has special seating with extended legroom but they charge a premium price for flying the non-stop.
A side question: Can anyone confirm that the A340 achieves it’s fuel economy by flying considerably slower than a 747 or 777? A friend commented recently that she hated getting behind an A340 on the trans-Pac as they had to fly higher or lower than the optimum altitude to overtake them.
Certainly ‘Lockerbie’ must have been a blow to Pan Am but the lack of planning and know-how connected with their entry into the unregulated domestic market and their associated purchase of National Airlines was a major factor. The ill-advised purchase of the Braniff rights into South America must also be considered as being another blunder.
GreekDude: What book are you referring to? Has there been one published recently?
Tim.
I have flown SFO – SYD on UA 747-400’s a number of times (stopping in Fiji once for fuel). My longest (non-stop) was 14Hrs 50 Mins. My longest with stop-overs was in 1973: MEL, SYD, CGK, SIN, DEL, THR, FRA, AMS on a KLM DC8-63 (stretch). I seem to recall that it took nearly 30 hours in all.
My wife and many of our friends put in decades of service with this fine, but fallen, airline. Some of them moved on to to UA, others to DL, and a couple to QF but all seem to agree that: Pan Am provided a service up to a standard whereas other Airlines now provide service down to a price.
I was flying SFO – LHR in December. Sitting next to me was a very well travelled businessman. We were chatting and he commented that: “Dollars to donuts these guys are all ex-Pan Am.” (He was right, and it showed.)
I saw Jim Davidson at Leicester on a qualifying X Country a million years ago.
Winston Churchill (Grandson of)
Also, the late Adam Faith trying to get his PPL-H in the 70’s, I think. I believe it all ended in a hurry when he bent one. Ouch!
(Whaa-dya-wan-ifya-done-want-money?)
Originally posted by Hand87_5
Tim , congratulations for your Logo.
The best one in aviation history 🙂
Thanks! My wife was with them from the early 70’s until 1986. A fine Company destroyed greedily by a corporate raider posing as a rescuer. He put scores of thousands of employees on the streets – jobless and with little or no pension and then personnally bought (not a house, not a hotel, but….) a whole island in the Caribbean!
Not that we are bitter-and-twisted or anything!!! Haaaaa!
Thank God for United!
Oldie But Goodie
Hi Whizz:
…. Kind of on the same vein from a friend in the right seat of a 747-400 overheard inbound to SFO.
An aircraft was advised to report visual with traffic in their “Two O’Clock” – positioning for the parallel runway. After a long silence Bay Approach asked if they had that traffic visual? The sardonic response was “Stand-By One, we are trying to find 2 o’Clock, we all have digital watches here.”
LHR
Just a few years ago the parallel runways were 28L & R and 10L & R. As Magnetic North moves very slowly over the years; the numbers of all runways will eventually change. I must assuime that LHR’s were changed as the heading changed from 275 Mag. to 274 Mag.
I think I have that right.
West Wing
A recent West Wing episode on NBC here featured Airforce One with a nose-gear problem which turned out to be a $1.00 bulb only. As the show concluded an announcement was made by the pilot that they had been cleared to land on Andrews AFB’s runway 39 – :rolleyes: .
Hmmmmm. Let me see, I must have a metric compass here…….???
And I feel the runner-up should be the De Havilland (or Hawker Siddeley?)
Trident lll
A beautiful aircraft but …….. Why did they offset the nose gear? (That must have caused awful difficulties when trying to manoeveur into gate areas in all but UK airports.)