so basically that comment was empty speculation and/or wishful thinking ?

How so?

U.S companies offer things they want to sell with USGs blessings. If they clinch the deal then only we come to the DSCA notice and all that. AEGIS is on offer to India if the IN wants it you will see the DSCA notice.

Why would I offer things to you which I cannot sell knowing that it will adversley affect my chances of selling you stuff in future.

And on the F 35 wait and see even if I take your argument for face value, the fact is that by the time the IN or the IAF(2017+) needs the F 35 the U.S would have already withdrawn from Afghanistan.

OK, until 2017 lets keep our fantasies to ourselves shall we?

Your or I cannot predict the future.

Going by your logic IAF have not asked for F-22 but this would be cleared!

Time to smell the coffee here….

in which case the US would cut off their weapon supply . . .

Pakistan is not in a strong position to be making demands about our policies with India

Pakistan is making no demands on the US.If however you think Pakistan would just stand by and let its “ally” make it virtually defenceless, you underestimate the Pakistani Military

E-2, PAC – 3, AEGIS all on offer to India. Pakistan has leverage over the U.S but not enough to prevent weapons purchases or strategic deals with India.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/asia_pacific/india/

AEGIS and PAC 3 mentioned there itself. And notice the Map 🙂

The Civil Nuclear deal went through despite Pakistani objection and we all know what answer Pakistan got when they asked for one.

You have a lot to learn about arms transactions.

Lockheed would love to sell all its arms to as many people as possible. It is there job.

Posting it on their website makes sense.

I no way does it mean they are approved. With all due respect, Indian “defence analysts”, of which there seem to be no shortage, have been talking of

AEGIS, PAC-3 heck even USS Kitty Hawk.

F-35? No way!

I will repeat, US will never equip India with a system that fundementally changes things.

P-8s, C-17s and a few 155mm howitzers do not come under that catorgory.

Get over it.

I never had any idea till now that Islamabad and not Washington need to approve the sales of P8I, C-17, Harpoons, M777, MMRCA, E-2D to India. 🙂

Had the IA, IN, IAF known this before all they had to do was to travel a few KM west than fly those 1000 KMs. Now thats what I call lack of austerity from these leaders. 😡

I wonder whether this approvals would require any payments too, did someone say a 2. Ah my bad. But I must say a quite entertaining thread.

‘Let’s move India away from Russian weapons’

I hope the senator understands what he speaks or may soon have to face the music from the approvers;).

JMT

New saying : Someone will always be in the well.

M777, P-8, HARPOONS, C-17s are by no way game changers. F-35 is.

E-2, no deal signed yet, so wanna check FACTS before you and I debate?

OK, if you want me to, but one of the reasons I was going to mentioned you actually hinted at yourself.

Pakistan would never accept F-35s being delivered by the US to India.
As long as US needs Pakistan, you can be assured a F-35 sale will nevr happen.

IN has some 45 MiG-29Ks on order, along with the complete training set-up.

IAC, might have another 30-40 fixed wing planes (a larger ship).

This would give the IN some 80 planes of two types with completely different training and maintenance set-up. However the jump in capability will be immense, US naval planes come with a history of intense naval operations behind them (and all the lessons learned with time), as compared to the limited Soviet/Russian naval fighter experience.

Locally produced is sadly not equal to cheaper, these high technology equipments are not like the good old ordinance factories, they require quite an educated crew and the same set-up to manufacture, test and operationalise.

In case of such weapons (cruise missiles) a local production run of say 500 missiles would be much cheaper ordered from the original manufacturer as that cuts down on setting up complete tooling required for another manufacturing line.

The MMRCA has the added cost of parting with technology, setting up the complete tooling for the manufacturing lines in India, along with training for HAL people manufacturing and consulting to operationalise the lines.

However in case of ToT, the technology transfered with advanced cruise missiles (esp. the european ones) would be a jump in capability itself.

Would you expand on that, do you have reason to believe that the aircraft wont be cleared for India?

Because right now even C-130J planes to India are being delivered without advanced comms equipment. Will be a big jump to F-35

Host of other reasons, but do not want to derail thread…

So you took several sentences to basically agree with me….