The main advantages of the AW149 against the UH-60 is that AW149 secures British jobs and brings tax revenue back into the Treasury. Especially if by buying AW149’s this encourages other countries to buy them. I suspect a buy is on the cards long-term as we are going to increasingly be pushed to only buy British equipment if it could be exported, and AugustaWestland along with BAE will be pushing UK Government to keep the good times rolling.
Being a cynic I would say those reasons are why we are in the current procurement mess…..
If it is, then the chances are there will be enemy fighters around. Or even if some C-17s did get through, would 5-8 tanks make a difference!?
Will the airfields be secure?
What about SAMs?
Better to use them for paratroopers. See my point?
Hey, what happens when all this stuff becomes “self-aware”, just like in the Terminator films!? 😀
Sigh. No one said it does. It is just very rarely used. Can you actually comprehend what I am saying?
Again, you have read my words and in your mind totally twisted them into something else.
This airlift capability is very useful, if not vital, to these countries. Just not for tanks.
Trident
Hardly anyone who actually ordered C-17s use them for transporting tanks.
Even within India it would be more efficient to just use the extensive rail network.
IIRC this new (or updated) SAAB 2000 machines actually offers more loiter time then the EMB-145, but with a more economic platform. Remember when the 2000 was created “the performance of a jet, but the economics of the turboprop”. The speed is some inferior but the altitude pretty much the same. But are these issues really matter when you are deciding a platform? Isn´t the main thing what it can perform and its availability?
This is true. A twin turbo-prop airliner is likely to have much less down time then a 4 engined jet or even a 2 engined jet.
OK, I am not forcing you to believe it. You can or choose not to.I do.If you do not, no skin of my nose.
Shall we leave it at that? 🙂
Hey, I am just posting the Aviation Week report. They are a very reputable outfit. I am sure the ACM of IAF has his motivations for every statement he may make. Often it is wise not to just swallow the official line….
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No Teer. It does not settle it. Here is a slightly more authorative source….
India’s domestically developed airborne early warning and control system is taking a big step forward with the first of three modified Brazilian EMB-145s headed for flight trials.
The preliminary testing, due to kick off in the next two months, will be carried out in Brazil by Embraer and a team from the Indian air force’s Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) in association with Brazil’s Agência Nacional de Aviação Civil and its Indian counterpart, the Center for Military Airthworthiness and Certification (Cemilac).
Defense Research and Development Organization sources reveal that the first platform will be equipped with a dorsal radar unit containing dummy electronics, an in-flight refueling probe, environmental controls, auxiliary power units, internal fuel tanks, satellite communications and antennae.
India’s Bangalore-based Center for Airborne Systems (CABS) — the laboratory spearheading the AEW&C sensor program — already has supplied Embraer with a dorsal unit (with dummy electronics) and a Ku-band SATCOM dome, while the Defense Avionics Research Establishment (DARE), CABS and the Defense Electronics Research Laboratory (DLRL) have shipped in antenna units for electronic support measures, communications support measures (CSM) and U/VHF. The aircraft will undergo flight tests until July 2011.
While the EMB-145 in the AEW&C configuration undergoes flight tests in Brazil, the configuration to be ferried to India in August 2011 will include only the aircraft with the dorsal pylon but not the antenna unit or other features, such as the extra auxiliary power unit or internal fuel tanks. Once the first aircraft reaches India, it will undergo a flight testing regime with CABS, ASTE and Cemilac in association with an embedded Embraer team.
After a series of checkout flights in India, the aircraft will be integrated with a dorsal unit containing real electronics and other mission system equipment, including five operator workstations, avionics racks, crew rest seating, seats and cabling. Program sources indicate that the aircraft will be tested in three different locations in the country, Yelahanka in the South, Bareilly in the North and either Bagdogra or Tezpur in the East.
On June 23, EADS Cassidian (the former Defense & Security unit) announced that it has been awarded a contract to supply consultancy services to CABS for developing the AEW&C’s system architecture with particular regard to certification and mission equipment optimization, giving the European company its third big aerospace consultancy in India, following advisory contracts in the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft program.
The first Indian AEW&C aircraft is slated to achieve full operational capability in 2014, with inductions of three aircraft the same year. While numbers remain unofficial, the Indian air force has hinted at a need for at least eight of the indigenous AEW&C aircraft.
The air force also recently decided to exercise options with Israel for two more Phalcon AWACS, though the platform is likely to be a business jet rather than the Ilyushin-76, a platform that remains plagued by maintainability, availability and spares problems at its home base in Agra. The air force will achieve final operational capability on the Phalcon in November of this year, with the third aircraft to arrive shortly thereafter.
I think the IL-76 was a bad choice first time round. Should have gone Israeli/Singapore route.
Press reports indicate these expensive AWACs are spending alot of time grounded.
RBS-70, BAMSE and the alike is not regardes as an offensive system either. The argumentation for this is that they are used to protect national air space and not
for offensive raids. That’s what I meant with bypassing the laws using creative specification of the systems.US cannot embargo the Gripen engine to countries it is ready to sell it’s own similair systems to, per an agreement signed in 1999 (or 2000? do not remember the date).
RBS-70 was sold to Iran by Singapore, not by Sweden.
Anyhow. Like Arrows said, lets go back to the focus of this thread.
You just contridicted yourself on the US Embargoe/Gripens thing, but never mind. Yes, lets get back to topic.
The total contract price seems a hell of a lot for just one SAAB 2000
So the 5 Phalcon systems will be based on 2 different aircraft types?
Not good.
Please. Enough of the self righteous crap,lets stick to the Erieye sale.
Sweden has sold RBS-70 to Iran, so lets not pretend Stockholm is whiter then white
PN has a very decent special forces unit. SSGN. Been established for over 30 years and reguarly trains with US SEAL teams. PN also has a brigade strong Marine unit.
I dont see how that relates to the equipment fit of these birds though….