Greenday1http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2100125&C=europe
Armaris Offers Pakistan Licensed Production of 3 Subs
By PIERRE TRAN, PARIS
French naval export company Armaris, in a bold commercial move, has proposed a license deal that would permit Pakistan to build all three Marlin submarines the company offered in its bid for Islamabad’s diesel-electric submarine program, a French industry official said.
“This is one deal we have to win,” the official said. The sale is worth around $1 billion.
Germany’s HDW has made a rival bid with its 214 sub, he said.
The building of all three Marlin boats locally would mark a departure from previous French submarine sales.
In the 1994 sale of three Agosta 90B Khalid submarines to Islmabad, France’s DCN built the first in series and transferred production of the other two boats to Pakistan. The French sale of six Scorpene subs to India earlier this year followed the same industrial model.
Armaris on Aug. 26 submitted its Marlin offer to Pakistan. The offer was for the submarine only, without SM39 Exocet anti-ship missiles, as Pakistan has said it wants to arm the boats with Boeing Harpoon missiles. The boats would be fitted for, but not with, the Harpoons, the official said. The cost of integration of the U.S.-built missiles would be in Pakistan’s charge.
Armaris is a 50-50 joint venture company of DCN and Thales.
In Bulgaria’s tender for four corvettes, Armaris has arranged debt financing for a purchase with a pool of banks led by French bank Societé Générale, the official said. The banks would lend Bulgaria money to buy the warships, with repayment guaranteed by the Coface export credit agency.
The Bulgarian Navy put Armaris’ Gowind corvette at the top of the list after the tender closed, and the French company is waiting for a decision from the Bulgarian government, the official said. The corvette deal is worth 700 million to 800 million euros ($888 million to $1 billion).
More lethal then the Scorpene?
One interesting point is why this sub was not offered to India if indeed it is superior to the Scorpene.
Greenday1Well in terms of combat capability and sophistication, these planes beat the bulk of the most likely opponent, Pakistan, and finally the Sea Harrier will get something that makes it suitable for its originally intended role. With a Blue Fox radar and just Magics, it was in some ways a disappointment for the IN since the Blue Fox had issues with sea clutter, for which the IN could not find a technical solution, and had to use training and tactics to compensate. The Blue Vixen for a variety of reasons was not available to India. Hopefully India will install a full specced Elta 2032 in the SHar since it is after all an interceptor with secondary Air to surface capability.
In other news, India is also searching for a new A2S missile (light) intended for its SeaKings, probably to replace its Sea Eagle, so ultimately, that could be carried by its SHars as well.
I dont think Sea Harriers will totally outclass PAF assets based at Masroor unless they go through a major upgrade.Grifo out ranges the current radar in the sea harrier and the latest versions of the Aim-9L out perform and out range the Magic.
They will be facing Mirages armed with AIM-9Ls and Grifo radars.
Doubt US will release AMRAAM to India unless its part of a larger MRCA deal/
Greenday1LOL PN must have surrendered a sub to Osama as a part of the surrender agreement in waziristan.
More irrelevent comments?
Good news in Pakistan = “have to post some crap”!?
Greenday1Your posts on this thread are becoming more and more irrelevent. Its obvious you just intend to flame. Why not set up another thread on your deep hatred towards anything Pakistani, am sure you and yoru chums can have a fun time there rather then try and ruin a very good and informative thread.
Greenday1Cool pic! Funny colour for the AH-1. PAs are usually lighter green, not grey. Is this a surplus US model?
Greenday1Srilankan News
Aug 25, 2006, 12:06
A group of Pakistan Air Force officers stationed in Colombo have been guiding the Sri Lankan military in carrying out air-mounted operations against the LTTE, a former counter-terrorism chief of India’s External intelligence says. The Pakistani officers have also been involved in drawing up plans for a decapitation airstrike with bunker-buster bombs to kill LTTE leader Vellupillai Pirapaharan, B. Raman says. The appointment of recently retired Deputy Chief of the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) as Islamabad’s representative to Sri Lanka is a deepening of Pakistan’s support, he says, adding the move is a concern for India’s national security.
“About 12 to 15 members of the Pakistani Armed Forces, including four or five from the Pakistan Air Force, are stationed in Colombo to guide the Sri Lankan security forces in their counter-insurgency operations,” Mr. B. Raman, wrote on August 18, quoting reliable Tamil sources.
“The Pakistan Air Force officers have reportedly been guiding the SLAF officers in effectively carrying out air-mounted operations against the LTTE,” he said.
“They have also been reportedly involved in drawing up plans for a decapitation strike from the air, with bunker-buster bombs, to kill [LTTE leader Vellupillai] Pirapaharan.”
Mr. Raman served as additional secretary at the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), India’s external espionage agency, and headed the counter-terrorism division at RAW for more than a decade till his retirement in 1994. He is presently Director of the Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai.
“Pakistan, which has already been playing a discreet role in assisting the Sri Lankan security forces in their operations against the LTTE even before Mr. [Mahinda] Rajapakse became the President, has further increased its involvement in the counter-insurgency operations.”
“Of all the three [Sri Lankan] services, the SLAF has the closest relations with its Pakistani counterpart,” Raman says.
Technical personnel of the PAF play an important role in the repairs and maintenance of the aircraft and other equipment of the SLAF. Sri Lankan aircraft have been sent to Pakistan for overhauling.
Recently Sri Lanka has accepted Pakistan’s proposal to appoint Air Vice-Marshal Shehzad Aslam Chaudhry as the new Pakistani High Commissioner to Sri Lanka in place of Col (retd) Bashir Wali Mohammed.
Col. Wali Mohammed, a former Director of the Pakistan Intelligence Bureau and a former senior officer of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), has completed his two-year tenure in Colombo.
On August 14 he narrowly escaped an explosion which killed four commandos in his security detail. The Sri Lankan government blamed the LTTE for the attack, the first on a foreign ambassador in the conflict.
Hours earlier the same day, SLAF bombers levelled a children’s home in Mullaitivu, killing 51 teenagers and four staff and wounding 150 more youngsters.
“The posting of Air Vice-Marshal Shehzad Chaudhry, who had in the past handled air-mounted operations against the Baloch freedom-fighters, is expected to further step up the Pakistani involvement in [Sri Lanka’s] use of air strikes to subdue the LTTE and intimidate the Tamil population,” Mr. Raman says.
Indian concern
“While India cannot justifiably object to it, the increasing involvement of Pakistan in the counter-insurgency operations is a matter of serious concern from the point of view of India’s national security,” Mr. Raman says.
“The clandestine co-operation between the armed forces of Sri Lanka and Pakistan, which has been there even in the past, picked up momentum after an unpublicised visit by Gen. Mohammed Aziz Khan, then Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, to Colombo in September 2003,” Mr. Raman says.
India had never objected in the past to the close military-military relations between Sri Lanka and Pakistan, but Gen. Aziz Khan’s secret visit upset Delhi, Raman says.
This is because Gen. Aziz Khan “had co-ordinated Pakistan’s proxy war against India through various jihadi terrorist organisations [and] played an active role in the clandestine occupation of Indian territory in the Kargil”
Civilians targetted
“Under the influence of the Pakistani advisers, the Sri Lankan Government’s counter-insurgency operations are becoming increasingly ruthless,” Mr. Raman says. “There have been many instances of targeted killing of innocent civilians through actions on the ground as well as from the air.”
“This will only drive more Tamils into the arms of the LTTE,” he fears.
“Since Mr. Rajapakse took over as the President in November last year, more innocent civilians have been killed by the Sri Lankan security forces than in the [recent] past.”
“Pakistan, which has already been playing a discreet role in assisting the Sri Lankan security forces in their operations against the LTTE even before Mr.Rajapakse became the President, has further increased its involvement in the counter-insurgency operations [since November 2005],” Mr. Raman says.
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Greenday1IAF keeps tabs on China AWACS at Pak airbase
Shiv AroorPosted online: Friday, August 25, 2006 at 0000 hrs Print Email
NEW DELHI, AUGUST 24:The IAF is keeping close tabs on the recent arrival of a much-hushed Chinese aircraft prototype at the Chaklala airbase in North Pakistan. The aircraft, which flew in with a group of Chinese aeronautical scientists late last month, is Beijing’s indigenous Y-8 Airborne Warning And Control System (AWACS) aircraft.
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The Chinese AWACS, a typically secretive project that Beijing began after its efforts to acquire Phalcon AWACS jets from Israel was blocked by the US in 2000, will provide the country a light, cheap airborne early warning and detection aircraft that can be produced and deployed in large numbers. Islamabad is expected to sign up to join the project and place orders after the operational demonstrations at Chaklala are over.
AWACS platforms, basically advanced radars mounted on aircraft, provide greater detection and coverage range than ground radars simply by virtue of their altitude, and provide a capability that both India and Pakistan are already in line to acquire.
In June, Pakistan signed up to acquire six Swedish Saab-2000 Erieye AWACS, more than two years after India ordered three Israeli Phalcon jets. But these are both expensive, limiting the numbers that can be acquired by either country.
A point of concern to the IAF is that the Chinese AWACS is near test readiness, which means Islamabad, when it chooses to buy them, will be in a position to deploy it in large numbers far before the Indian homegrown airborne early warning project, under development by DRDO’s Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) in Bangalore, actually takes off.
A senior IAF officer
said, “Historically, decisions between China and Pakistan happen much faster. That means, they could have a greater density of airborne radar coverage before we do.”
Long-range airborne radar coverage will be principal factors in ensuring that no air violations take place on either side.
[email]shiv.aroor@expressindia.com[/email]
Greenday1The Babur, with all due respect, is primarily a land attack missile. An AShM version will be “interesting” but given its subsonic profile, target dispersion would be a problem. And the IN has hard kill and soft kill ability against an AShM. Unlike the PN, which would be hard pressed to combat a sea skimming subsonic missile salvo, let alone a supersonic one. 😉
And propoganda apart, its as of yet unclear as to how many Baburs will be deployed by Pakistan or its capable of manufacturing. In contrast, the Brahmos, Klub-S, Moskit, and the C-80X series are all in regular production. These are far more potent weapons than the Babur. 😉
Babur, as of the latest reports, has been in production since October 2005.
The numbers being aqquired are secret, so if you have any more light to shed on exact numbers I would be interested to hear.
I believe Tomohawk on which Babuer is based, also has an anti-ship capability.
For missile defence, as your probably well aware, Pakistani ships now have the Block 1B version of Phalnax.
As for Brhamos being in service, according to this official 2006 USAF report, it will not have initial operational capability till 2008.
They site Barburs operational capability as “undertimined” 😀
http://www.nukestrat.com/us/afn/NASIC2006.pdf
Additional Harpoon 2 in Ship, Sub and air launched versions are in service with PN, as are Chinese C-802, and the latest versions of Exocet.
If you combine those 4 missiles in PN inventory, then your looking at a missile force just as formidable as Indias.
Greenday1Does anyone have any idea why Mexico wants two 17000 ton LPDs?
Help them retake Texas? :dev2:
Greenday1Pakistan has 500km Babur and is developing a 1000km version. These will be on PN vessels.
Your right, with a range like that, we probably dont even need to leave port! 😀
Greenday1United Technologies Beats GE on Pakistan F-16 Order, People Say
By Tony Capaccio and Rachel Layne
Aug. 23 (Bloomberg) — United Technologies Corp., the world’s third-largest maker of airplane engines, won a contract to supply turbines for as many as 36 F-16 fighter jets being bought by Pakistan, people familiar with the order said.
The company’s Pratt & Whitney unit beat General Electric Co. for the engine deal, said five people with knowledge of the order who asked not to be named because it hasn’t been announced. They declined to put a value on the transaction because the exact number of planes hasn’t been determined.
An initial 18-engine order is worth about $200 million, said Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia. The award will boost Pratt & Whitney’s engine business as production of Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-16 slows in favor of its F-35 Lightning II, formerly known as the Joint Strike Fighter. Pratt & Whitney sells the main engine on older F-16s, including those used by Pakistan.
“It’s tough to unseat an incumbent,” Aboulafia said. “But it is a good win. F-16 work is winding down, so it is essential for Pratt to avoid a trough until the JSF ramps up.”
The engine order may be announced next month in Pakistan, when the country’s government is expected to sign its formal request for aircraft, engines and armaments, the officials said.
Pratt & Whitney spokeswoman Heather Summerer declined to comment, as did Rick Kennedy, a spokesman for Fairfield, Connecticut-based General Electric.
Shares of Hartford, Connecticut-based United Technologies, which trails GE and Rolls-Royce Group Plc in jet-engine sales, fell 14 cents to $60.76 at 3:56 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. GE fell 33 cents to $33.63.
$5 Billion Package
Congress last month approved a basic arms package for Pakistan, valued at as much as $5 billion, including 18 new F-16 fighters with an option to buy 18 more. The single-engine aircraft were to be powered by either GE or Pratt & Whitney, the Pentagon said.
Aboulafia said the initial 18 engines are valued at about $200 million, and more than twice that when upgrades and spare parts are included. The F-16 deal ends a 15-year ban on sales of the fighter to Pakistan, an important ally in the fight against terrorism.
Pratt & Whitney is the sole engine provider for the F-35 Lightning II until 2012, when GE can compete with an engine made in a venture with London-based Rolls-Royce. GE is fighting in Congress to restore funding for a backup engine, which the Pentagon wants to eliminate to reduce costs.
Pratt & Whitney’s military division provided about one-third of the engine maker’s 2005 revenue of $9.3 billion. Military engines at GE made up $3.5 billion of the aviation division’s $11.9 billion in sales last year.
The Pakistan transaction also includes 36 advanced pilot helmets that can display targeting information on the visor, as many as 500 of Chicago-based Boeing Co.’s kits to assemble satellite-guided bombs for ground attacks, and as many as 1,600 laser-guided bombs produced by Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed and Waltham, Massachusetts-based Raytheon Co.
The package also includes 700 bunker-buster, 2,000-pound BLU- 109 bombs; 800 Mk-82 unguided munitions and 700 Raytheon air-to- air missiles.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?…id=a_cKQnpTO7Uc
So the new F-16s will officially be Block 52+s and not Block 50+s
Greenday1Oh wow a two month old BS article from BBC. How reliable!!
http://www.india-defence.com/reports/2384
Lockheed Martin hardsells customized F-16’s to Air Force
Things have transformed dramtically in 2 months!?
Greenday1Most IN Kilos are 20 years old. Lets not get into fantsay world about them being quietest. Also, this thread is about PAKISTAN NAVY. Not INDIAN navy!
Greenday1Good news, possible AIM-120C5 integration may be possible then
Greenday1well I dont think any large armed forces including the US NORAD is happy with what it has, more can always be done. I recall the US FAA was running on 30 yr old computers and some scotch tape, using ferrite core memories they had to special order coz nobody made them anymore! nobody can afford 24×7 edge-of-space to treetop level 100% coverage. thats why drug runners still get thru even in US where the CG has P3-AEW platforms even.
The US can detect the drug runners, its not detection that is the problem, but intel about what planes carry drugs.
India does seem to have major coverage issues.Coastal coverage would be a source of worry…..
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