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August 16, 2006 at 4:24 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044044

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The same Ghazi that sunk an IN ship?

I have proved so far that PN tech is ahead of IN in several areas. Especially MPA, Anti-shiop missiles and Subamrines. All you come back with is insults.

Point proven.

Take care, am not about to listen to more childish remarks.

I will keep it simple

Agosta 90B, P-3C, Harpoon II.

These out perform their IN counterparts. Its simple as that, if you refuse to accpet basic facts its impossible to argue with you, we can be here all day.

Agosta 90B is the reason IN scrambled around for Scorpene. The same way they will scramble around for something else once Marlin deal is signed.

P-3C – IN tried to buy this but refused on price.

Harpoon II – “Obsolete” Your words.

TU-142 may not even be servicable.

Everything I have said above I have supported with evidence. In return I get inspired ansers such as “IN will wipe out PN” “IAF will wipe out PAF”

If thats the case, why even bother coming onto a PN thread anyway?

I am not going to respond to baiting any more, if you have something valuable to say say it.

August 16, 2006 at 4:11 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044052

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Can we keep this chat on naval matter, happy to talk about F-16s on PAF thread. Cheers

August 16, 2006 at 4:04 pm in reply to: IAF – Aug 2006 cont'd #2586896

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PAF would have not interest in them now. 2 years ago maybe.

Really not worth inducting just 12 airacraft of another type. Very uneconomical. Unless we got our hands on any UAE aircraft that may become surplus, but this is unlikely.

August 16, 2006 at 4:01 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044062

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Is somebody here suggesting the MiG21 is better than F15 or F16? :confused:

Trust me, all sorts of crazy s**T is happening on this thread, as long as you slap on IN colours to them a Kilo can outperfom a Agosta 90B, Sea Eagle is better then Harpoon 2 which is described as “obsolete”, TU-142s are better then P-3Cs update III.

Yeah, we have had it all today! :p

August 16, 2006 at 3:53 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044103

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Nah I thought U said something abt the Singaporean F-16s so asked what exactly did you mean by neutered?

PAF F-16s may lack offensive SEAD avionics. Dont think it will stop them using the APG-68/AMRAAM C5 combo though.

August 16, 2006 at 3:52 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044106

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All the countries you qouted were on the side of US in the cold war. Which of these would ever have been approved for IL-38 or Tu-142?? By same logic I guess the obsolete harpoons and exocet must be superior to granit, brahmos, moskit, yakhont and klub. 😀

Oh I see so since no one knows what Z-9c would get it must be superior to naval dhruv??? Nice logic.

the F-16’s and F-15’s were also easilt tackled by Mig-21 bison. Yes the singapore F-16’s are not neutered.

Harpoon Block II is “obsolete”!?

Dude, I am not going to change the mindset you have. If you genuinely belive that, then good luck to you, and to your Navy, they may need it.

Words fail me

August 16, 2006 at 2:58 pm in reply to: IAF – Aug 2006 cont'd #2586998

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I meant in addition to the new MRCA they are talking about too.

Correct me if I am but M2K is very different to M2K-5.

Weapons, avionics, radar etc.

Unless of course they upgrade their remaning M2Ks

August 16, 2006 at 2:38 pm in reply to: IAF – Aug 2006 cont'd #2587022

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M2K
MIG-29
MIG-21 Bison
SU-30
Jaguar
MRCA (We dont know what type that is yet)

Thats 6, and thats assuming all MIG-23/27S are retired. Thats still makes 6 types of aircraft. Even taking into account retiring aircraft. Thats more fighter types then anyother air force.

M2K is out of production now.

August 16, 2006 at 2:34 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044121

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I am assuming you have no idea about the ASW variant of dhruv with Sv-2000 radar and mihir dunking sonar. It is a very capable system and the final configuration for the Dhruv ASW variant.

Hmmm woder why RN prefered nimrod? French go with atlantique.?

Against PN, hell yeah even the KH-35 is unstoppable.

You only do what?? Do you even know what radar or sonar if any comes wit the z-9??

The su-30 MKI , mirage 2k5 and mig 29k are more than capable of taking out any silly f-16. The singapore F-16 were more advanced that the crap being dished out to PN and IAF had absolutely no problem with them.

Again, please tey and use logic and argument, no jingoistic rhetoric. Thanks.

RN and France went with their own national aircraft.

These guys went with P-3C

Argentine Navy
Royal Australian Air Force
Brazilian Navy
Canadian Forces Air Command
Chilean Navy
German Navy
Hellenic Navy
Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force
Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force
Republic of Korea Navy
Royal New Zealand Air Force
Royal Norwegian Air Force
Pakistan Navy
Portuguese Air Force
Spanish Air Force
Royal Thai Air Force
United States Navy

TU-142
Russia and India

You dont know whats in the Z-9 PN will get. It will probably be undisclosed Eurpoean tech, yet you write it off completeyly.

Lets not even try and pretend that the Singapore AF showed off everything the F-16C can do, or the IAF showed off everything the SU-30 can do. Thats does not happen in the real world. The same way PAF does not knwo how to handle the Rafael just becuas ethey exercised with the French Navy.

In addition, the F-16C Singapore used a a different version to the types PAF is getting.

August 16, 2006 at 2:01 pm in reply to: IAF – Aug 2006 cont'd #2587052

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So, if IAF get these and a different type to fill MRCA requirment. Thats what? 6? 7? different fighter types!!!!!!?????

August 16, 2006 at 1:51 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044134

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😀
Are you really that out of touch with reality?

Just the source please

August 16, 2006 at 1:41 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044141

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PN has what 6 seakings and another 6 aloutte’s? The Z-9c is a light basic helo and completely outclassed by HAL Dhruv.

My point is technologically PN is still in middle ages. The surface fleet as you agreed is a joke. It has 3 goos subs and second hand hand me down fleet of P-3’s with no protection.

Why would IAF su-30 not be able to blow out the P-3’s is beyone me. The exocet carrying Mirage is a sitting duck even to a mig-21 bison forget a Mig-29k. The F-16 and Jf-17 etc will be trying to save themselves from with Mig-29k, Su-30 MKI , Mirage 2k-5 and LCA.

Explain how Dhruv outclasses Z-9C in teh ASW role (assuming HAL have not grounded them again?)

Right, let me see. Every major western Maritime power is using P-3C. India tried to get hold of second hand examples, and so this tech is from Middle Ages? The current frontline maritime MPA of teh USN?

Agin, your starting to sound like “Ming the Merciless” here

Bramho is invincible nothing can stop it, PAF will be “wiped out”!!!

Sorry dude, I only do facts.

SU-30MKI and the fleet of M2Ks will be facing an F-16C/AMRAAM C-5 combo AND a J-10/SD-10 combo.

Thats not something any air force bar perhaps the USAF would be able to “wipe out” easily.

August 16, 2006 at 1:35 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044145

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You do realize that the Hanit also had the Phalanx right? 😉

So, let’s rephrase what you said:

The less said about PHALANX performance the better. If it WAS switched in by the Israeli ship, then thats really bad news for any PHALANX user.

source? Or BR BS?

August 16, 2006 at 1:34 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044182

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Don’t forget the Herons 😀

That have been shot down by PAF fighters in the past or was it Searcher? Who cares!. Trust me, no one is forgetting them! 😀

August 16, 2006 at 1:33 pm in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2044186

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Oh my..
And the fact that the KA-31’s serve as radar pickets to protect the fleet from MPA’s and vector fighters onto them, need not be considered.
Talk about stacking the deck by removing those key assets which allow an IN fleet to neutralize the PN’s MPA’s.

Your agreeing with my point here. You assuming air superiority. Without fighters they will be able to vector in the sweet sum of Foxtrot Oscar
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