an interesting source on Chinese Flankers

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-SinoFlanker.html

:diablo:

Proof?

Or more fantasies?

PL-12 isn’t faster than R-77, nice try though.

oops, R-77 is actually faster than PL-12. my mistake. must have been confused with something else. 😮

You mean Thunder makes a competitor for the Gripen right?

Since the JF-17 followed many years later, and so far has zero exports aside from the intended operator.

Thunder came years later, true, but it incorporates recent advances in aerodynamic designs and technologies that Gripen does not have. Examples include bump air intakes, MAWS, more advanced EW active cancellation, better weaponry etc. Gripen’s export numbers about matches Thunder’s export numbers. South Africa, Hungary, Czech, Thailand, none of them are even close to 1st world countries. 😀 Pakistani is an export customer of Thunder just as Canada is a projected export partner of F-35. Neither country was involved in the actual development of the said aircraft.

SAAB constructed the fuselage of the Neuron.

Neuron? :confused:

Thunder Block 1’s KLJ-7 radar, seems to me to be in the class of RC-400 which is a smaller RDY.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_44d3OT-xI3U/SlZR_OtAy3I/AAAAAAAAAzw/6KlQvpDYNfY/s1600/JF-17%2BThunder%27s%2BMMR.JPG

And what prevents NG from using RAM?

cost would be one thing. another thing would be availability. does Sweden make RAM?

But it still is BVR-capable and can launch BVR and launch-and-forget type AAMs which give them some chance against 4th Generation fighters and a significant advantage against 3rd generation fighters as military excerises show :diablo:

I’ve never heard of JH-7A being armed with PL-12s. It might have the capability though. JH-7 is essentially a bomber H with secondary air to air J. It is in the same series as H-5 and H-6.

1.) How does one fall if the other falls? Neither is going to fall, so moot question, but seriously…?
2.) Same race? Same culture? Wat
3.) I don’t disagree that as neighbors there is massive potential for cooperation.
4.) One could just as easily ask, where are the new Chinese engines, radars, etc promised for the Thunder. As it stands, its an ok economy aircraft, but fails to stand out in pretty much anything.
ok. It has DSI. :p

1. Why not? China and Russia have the same adversaries.

2. Same race, different habitat.

4. KLJ-7 is the same technological level as APG-68(V)9 and APG-63(V)1, an AESA to equip the Block 2 version. WS-13A also equips Block 2.

Block 2 also has vastly increased number of weapons load and combat radius.

When internationally mandated Russian peacekeepers were attacked, China did not as much as say a word of support. That is the value of the alliance, minimal.

I will repeat, Russia will not step in, in any military fashion, if China is attacked by anyone, unless it has potential to gain from the conflict. There is nothing for Russia to gain from aiding China in a struggle with a neighbor, and it sure as hell ain’t giving military aid vs the US.

China and Russia depend on each other. If one falls, the other will fall. Plus, Chinese and Russians are the same race and culture and deserve to have each other’s backs. Back to the topic, where is Gripen NG to compete with Thunder??? :confused: