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  • in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2317655
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    J-20 replaces all Flankers? When, in 40 years? :p
    PLAAF has lots of ancient stuff it needs to place before Flankers.

    Also don’t overestimate the SCO. China was completely mum during the 8-8-8 war, and Russia sure as hell ain’t coming to China’s help in any potential struggle with its neighbors. SCO is useful political medium, but joint defense, it is not.

    Russia is obliged to step in if China is attacked. If China attacks someone, Russia doesn’t need to do anything. That is what mutual security means.

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2317657
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    how about JF-17 vs Su-35, the fighter China wanted but couldn’t get

    China and Russia have mutual security alliance in the SCO. China’s defense is Russia’s defense and vice versa. As for China wanting Su-35, it was only for test against J-20, which replaces all Flanker type jets in the Chinese military. No biggie. 😀

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2317660
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    I dont care what F15SE claims, were are not talking about F15SE.

    The latest data we have for RCS is

    Gripen NG: 0.1 m2
    JF17 Thunder: 1.0 m2

    no way this can be possible unless Gripen NG uses RAM. canards do not have the same vertical alignment as the main wings and are huge radar reflectors from the frontal side.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2318056
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    JF-7 is still a interesting, capable and practical design.

    I beg to differ. JH-7 never truly had a capable air to air capability and its design looks butt ugly IMO. 😉

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2318066
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    latest from CAC !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FBn2h1CnnZI

    Is it me or does J-20 look highly ungainly. The design doesn’t seem to blend very well IMO. 🙁

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2318070
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    I’m perhaps rude, because you stand with the most brainless I ever saw.
    The question follow will test you:
    Can Su-30 do precise attack and anti-ship attack?
    Any POD JH-7 equipped the Su-30 don’t have sth with similar function?
    Any sort of weapon the JH-7 has but Su-30 doesn’t?
    Is SGW06 a human or just a post machine?

    Su-30MKK / Su-30MK2 which are in the class of F-15E and J-11BS which is in the class of F-15K are multi-role jets and are armed with YJ-83s

    in reply to: Raptor pilots are not keen to fly… #2318075
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    devastating design flaws in F-22. corruption by LM

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/ex-f-22-engineer-to-sue-lockheed-for-stealth-design-329025/

    http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2009/06/ex-lockheed-engineer-sues-lock.html

    in retrospect, not only should the Obama administration terminated F-22 production, all existing F-22 jets should have been scrapped and refunded by LM

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2318079
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    Since the engine blades of the gripen is very hidden because how its inlet are designed, DSI wouldnt make much of a difference.

    In clean configuration Gripen NG seems to have 10% RCS compared to JF17.

    Doubt it. F-15SE was claimed at one point to have a similar frontal RCS as F-35 which in turn is claimed to have the same frontal RCS as a golf ball. IMO, all these claims are highly exaggerated and far from being realistic. 😀

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2318611
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    Your estimations are based on…..eyeballing and massive assumptions.

    Nice.

    I estimate Tejas has 1/3rd the RCS of the J-20, also it looks like it has better cockpit view (better dogfighter) and has a bigger spine, so I estimate it has more fuel.

    I don’t doubt that Tejas has a smaller frontal RCS as compared to J-20. 😎 Tejas would certainly have a MUCH smaller frontal RCS as compared to J-20 if it also has DSI bumps to conceal the engine blades which are made of titanium and are much more reflective of radar waves as compared to painted aluminum. As for having more fuel, I don’t think so. J-20 is many times the size of Tejas. 😮 J-20 is still several years from being operational and therefore there is nothing as of yet to discuss about it. BTW, do F-15SE’s conformal weapons bays have enough room to contain bombs and surface to air missiles? Doesn’t look like they do to me.

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2318684
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    F-15SE’s tails are canted 15 degrees, which isn’t much. Canted surfaces don’t reduce RCS as much as zig zag surfaces, and don’t contribute to RCS reduction from the front but only from the side. Thunder Block 2 is assumed to incorporate some RAM like the ones found on J-10B. Pylons increase drag, but don’t increase frontal RCS as much due to their frontal surface areas being very small compared to conformal weapons bays which have much larger frontal surface areas. I estimate Thunder Block 1’s frontal RCS at about a quarter to a half of F-15SE’s frontal RCS and about a half to three quarters of Gripen C’s frontal RCS. 😎

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2318693
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    Why the F-15SE all of a sudden PhiltheBeloved? Are you now going to claim that the JF-17 is stealthier than the F-15SE from the front-on aspect?

    What makes you think Thunder’s frontal RCS is not less than F-15SE’s? F-15 is huge and has no DSI to conceal its engine blades. Don’t get me wrong. I love F-15SE, but I don’t think its frontal RCS is smaller than Thunder’s. 😉 Internal weapons bays don’t do much in fact. From the front, air to air missiles have very small RCS, with most of the radar waves reflected back from a single point in the middle. In fact, I would wager that F-15SE’s conformal weapons bays have bigger RCS than the missiles they contain. 😉 Manufacturers can claim a whole lot of stuffs, doesn’t mean they are all true.

    F-15SE, one of my fave jets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn6nx_GGERQ

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2318761
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    The Gripen (and most other single seater fighters with Y shaped engine ducts) actually don’t reflect much radar waves back at all due to their engine blades. They are relatively deeply buried and consequently, DSI or no DSI, it doesn’t matter at all.

    Interesting. 😎 Does F-15SE Silent Eagle have any mechanical or paint treatment to its engine blades from the frontal aspect?

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2318776
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    What a valuable observation.

    Tank you. 😀 Oh, and Gripen is yet to be fitted with UV band MAWS that Thunder has. I believe Gripen E shall have that system.

    in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2318778
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    Geez, look at that canards deflection, brutal:eek: perhaps turning at high AOA and minimal speed…. compare with the Su-47 display, time 1:24. Hopefully will see this beauty some day with my own eyes..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1wXsygQTVA

    The Chinese military declassifies a system as soon as it has achieved IOC. Party rules. 😀

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2318784
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    Viability of an AWAC fighter plane?

    Thunder’s tail-mounted EW seems much bigger and more capable than Gripen and J-10A’s EW. Just my observation. 😀 Seems like Thunder wins in the EW department as well.

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