Americans might have the means to overthrown an oppressive govt, but first they’d have to get off their **** & actually DO something. That isn’t going to happen, they just had a President win the election with 69,456,897 votes… with 230,000,000 eligible voters…

ah, so the mum was a bit unhinged as well. Glocks & Sigs are fairly popular choices, nothing alarming about that. I prefer S&W myself:

as does my kid:

and Rugers:

and Savages:

& thank you for proving my point about suicide DB 🙂

So you’re actually suggesting stress is the cause of suicide, not access to firearms? How much time have you spent in the US?

Ah thats ok then once they are over eighteen who cares!

WTF? are you deliberately being obtuse? Mogs posted the figures for *kids*, I pointed out that it included 21yo’s that skew the figures. If you can’t have a rational discussion about the subject maybe you should pick another thread?

Quite why the mum of the shooter in this case needed an M4 and two pistols is probably beyond most people ! However when the second amendment was written America was still quite unstable -times have decidedly changed but the right to bear arms hasn’t been ammended and the paranoia about federal control is very much alive!

Why is it *beyond most people* to have two pistols? Some people like to have a wheel gun & a semi auto. The M4 could have been a Korean War bring back.

Whats a myth then?? Govt figures find no relation between gun ownership and suicide ? Or that its not that unusual for people to shoot themselves /members of their families?

Really do you have any figures to prove that people who use a gun for suicide would use another method ? That seems incredibly hard to prove

If guns caused more suicides, then the rate of suicide would be lower in area where guns are prohibited. Chicago & New York for instance. That isn’t the case.

Today’s scary statistics

The slaughter of children by gunfire in the United States is 25 times the rate of the 20 next largest industrial countries in the world combined.

Moggy

US figures for *children* include anyone up to the age of 21. That somewhat skews the result.

Really ?Gun suicide or even familly murder isn’t that common then?

That’s not what I said. & access to guns doesn’t change the suicide numbers, just the method.